Cont: The Trump Presidency Part III

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alfaniner said:
One thing I really dislike about that format is that there is no context. "2 hours ago" has no meaning a week later if it's not dated.
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That's true if you're seeing the image in isolation, like I have posted it here. (The 1hr timeframe would have been valid for the moment that I looked at the twitter feed, and fwiw there was about a 5-10 minute lag between seeing that and posting it. )

Still, you're right that it would be more useful having a correct date and time stamp.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Or Wilson and Johnson are lying.
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That is another possibility.

Then again President Trump has shown time and again that he is very poor at interacting with people, little empathy and has lied repeatedly about all kinds of things big and small.

Even his initial claim, that he had personally phones all service personnel who had fallen in the line of duty has been shown to be a lie.

Then Kelly's claims about Wilson's speech were shown to be complete lies, when the speech was found to be a matter of public record - at which point he changed his story to one where the remarks were made later in private.

One set of parties (La David Johnson's family and friends) have throughout, when accounts are verifiable have been found to be telling the truth, the other set, President Trump and his administration have repeatedly been shown to be lying.

The odds IMO are therefore that the family's account is more likely to be close to the truth than the Trump Administration's.
 
The Don said:
Even his initial claim, that he had personally phones all service personnel who had fallen in the line of duty has been shown to be a lie.
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It can't be shown to be lie because it is unfalsifiable.

He said
Now sometimes, you know, if you had a tragic event, it’s very difficult to be able to do that, but I have called, I believe, everybody, but certainly I’ll use the word virtually everybody, where, during the last nine months, something has happened to a soldier, I’ve called virtually everybody.
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It is ultimately dependent on knowing how many people he is aware of that died. While it doesn't behoove a moron to speculate if they did something 100%, they can be sincere and wrong.
 
BobTheCoward said:
... they can be sincere ...
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:D you're joking. We're talking about Trump.
"...but I have called, I believe, everybody, but certainly I’ll use the word virtually everybody..." If you can't smell the lies here, you've never listened to the man.

Technically your comment is not incorrect, and I know that's what you like to pride yourself on, but you're only fooling yourself if you believe him.
 
BobTheCoward said:
It can't be shown to be lie because it is unfalsifiable.

He said


It is ultimately dependent on knowing how many people he is aware of that died. While it doesn't behoove a moron to speculate if they did something 100%, they can be sincere and wrong.
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That he had his people immediately scrabble to set up calls shows that he knew that there were uncalled families - it was a lie.
 
TofuFighter said:
:D you're joking. We're talking about Trump.
"...but I have called, I believe, everybody, but certainly I’ll use the word virtually everybody..." If you can't smell the lies here, you've never listened to the man.

Technically your comment is not incorrect, and I know that's what you like to pride yourself on, but you're only fooling yourself if you believe him.
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I didn't make a claim that I believed anybody.
 
The Don said:
That he had his people immediately scrabble to set up calls shows that he knew that there were uncalled families - it was a lie.
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It was the guy who got forgotten and left behind in the field so apparently that might happen a lot with him.
 
While I suspect this did not involved the president himself this seems par for the course

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-23/indonesian-military-chief-general-gatot-nurmantyo-denied-entry/9075272

"General Gatot had been invited to Washington DC by his US counterpart— Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Joseph Dunford — to attend an anti-terror conference.

He is a regular visitor and had the right visa —but as he and his wife were checking in for their Emirates flight to Washington on Saturday night, they were given bad news.

Indonesia's military spokesman Major General Wuryanto said "before departure, there was a notice from the airline that the military commander and his wife are not allowed to enter the US by the order of US Customs and Border Protection"."
 
SezMe said:
I'm truly surprised you'd make such an asinine statement. Do you think those countries reduced their military spending during the Obama years?
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Well, it's clear that you don't understand my "asinine" statement. Your question bears no rational relation to it.

We're far more likely to have serious problems due to internal matters than to an invasion from a foreign power.
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There are other bad things that can happen besides actual invasion. We were never invaded during WWI or WWII by the way.

All wars (read, regional conflicts) from now on will largely be fought on cyberspace.
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That's ridiculous. Cyberwars, to the extent they will be meaningful, will simply be prelude to shooting wars.

We've already lost the first major battle in that action and conservatives, to a politician, refuse to even acknowledge the problem much less do anything about it. Global Warming, redux.
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We did not lose any battle. We didn't even have a battle. If we did, we sure didn't lose it, since things are going pretty well in my book.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
I find it troubling that neither Chuck Schumer nor Lindsey Graham even knew that we had 1,000 troops in Niger.
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I do too. It can't be that difficult for the legislators on the Armed Services Committee to have some sort of reference as to where US troops are stationed.

On the other hand, as of last June, Wiki shows 0-100* military personnel in Niger.

*Countries with less than 100 troops are not listed.

I suspect we'll find out a lot more about the Niger troop deployment in the coming weeks.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I do too. It can't be that difficult for the legislators on the Armed Services Committee to have some sort of reference as to where US troops are stationed.

On the other hand, as of last June, Wiki shows 0-100* military personnel in Niger.

*Countries with less than 100 troops are not listed.

I suspect we'll find out a lot more about the Niger troop deployment in the coming weeks.
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Maybe Schumer and Graham were told they were deployed to Zambia.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I do too. It can't be that difficult for the legislators on the Armed Services Committee to have some sort of reference as to where US troops are stationed.

On the other hand, as of last June, Wiki shows 0-100* military personnel in Niger.

*Countries with less than 100 troops are not listed.

I suspect we'll find out a lot more about the Niger troop deployment in the coming weeks.
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Of course by that there are 26,000 who are not listed in the theater that are operating in, but just as "Abroad".
 
BobTheCoward said:
It can't be shown to be lie because it is unfalsifiable.
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Nonsense it's perfectly simple to verify. for one possibility ask the families of all the soldier lost in the line of duty since Trump came to office if he phoned them, or check Trump's phone logs

It is ultimately dependent on knowing how many people he is aware of that died. While it doesn't behoove a moron to speculate if they did something 100%, they can be sincere and wrong.
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And since trump has never been sincere about anything but his own self importance ever then we can readily dismiss that proposition.
 
alfaniner said:
One thing I really dislike about that format is that there is no context. "2 hours ago" has no meaning a week later if it's not dated.
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If someone takes a screenshot of the post you just made and puts it into another post, the timestamp will say "Today", even a week from now.

If a link to that post, or a tweet such as you are complaining about, is included then that link will take you to the content in its native format and the timestamp will be properly updated.

This is not a fault of the format. Either of them. It is a fault of the way the tweet (or post) has been reproduced by whoever is quoting it.
 
Garrison said:
Nonsense it's perfectly simple to verify. for one possibility ask the families of all the soldier lost in the line of duty since Trump came to office if he phoned them, or check Trump's phone logs



And since trump has never been sincere about anything but his own self importance ever then we can readily dismiss that proposition.
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He could have not called 99% of them. If he is sincere in his belief that he called virtually all of them (either because he can't remember or he was informed of so few) then it is not a lie.
 
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