Cont: The Trump Presidency Part III

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Skeptic Ginger said:
Adding to my previous reply::boggled: "Curiously"? As in curious Kelly doesn't seem bothered by Trump's behavior?

And you do know the difference between then and now is not that women weren't sexually harassed and abused, it's that they didn't talk about it, weren't believed or no one cared to stop the abusers, right?
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Or as the idiot in the local coffee shop said, "Women used to enjoy it."
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
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Kelly said Wilson shouldn't have listened to the call. Either he knew and lied or didn't know the reason Wilson heard the call was because she was in the car with Johnson on the way to receive the body.

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And... it was Johnson who chose to put the call on speaker.

Not sure how Wilson could have avoided listening to it. Sticking her fingers in her ears?

That might have seemed a bit disrespectful, too.
 
CORed said:
Damn right. Trumps one saving grace is that he is so damn incometent that he is having little success in implementing his agenda. A competent right wing demagogue could have done a lot more damage.
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“Competent” and “right wing” are mutually exclusive at this point so I’m not too worried about that. part

The real risk is someone leveraging the right win machinery to establish a dictatorship, and dictatorships are not inherently right or left wing. I don’t think Trump is actively trying to overturn US democracy, he’s just a narcissist looking for adulation. What concerns me is that he is showing that the right wing political machinery is fully capable and willing to mobilize support for exactly the type of policies that could create a dictatorship.
 
Back on topic, which is the Trump presidency.

Wilson was in the car and had an implicit invitation to listen in on the call. Trump raised the issue, and made a political point about how well he handled these calls. Wilson was angered by this, and Johnson's widow has subsequently supported Wilson's approach on this issue by confirming her story.

She is obviously justifiably upset and angry.
 
The White House flashed its authoritarian streak again on Friday when press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said it was “highly inappropriate” for journalists to fact-check a false claim by Chief of Staff John F. Kelly.

Why? Because Kelly is a retired general and therefore should not be questioned.

In a tense exchange, CBS's Chip Reid asked Sanders about Kelly's assertion on Thursday that Rep. Frederica S. Wilson (D-Fla.) took credit in a 2015 speech for securing federal funding to build an FBI office in Miami. Video of the speech posted on Friday by the Sun Sentinel of Fort Lauderdale shows that Wilson did no such thing but rather praised her Republican colleagues for fast-tracking a bill she sponsored, which named the facility in honor of two FBI agents killed in action.
Sanders said Kelly stands by his claim. Wilson, according to Sanders, “also had quite a few comments that day that weren't part of that speech and weren't part of that video that were also witnessed by many people that were there — what Gen. Kelly referenced yesterday.”

Then came this:

REID: Can he come out here and talk to us about this at some point, so that he can get the facts straight?

SANDERS: I think he's addressed that pretty thoroughly, yesterday.

REID: He was wrong yesterday, in talking about [Wilson] getting the money. The money . . .

SANDERS: If you want to go after Gen. Kelly, that's up to you, but I think that if you want to get into a debate with a four-star Marine general, I think that that's something highly inappropriate.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...stion-john-kelly-because-hes-a-4-star-general

Kelly said something that was incorrect and when confronted with this Sanders covers for him because they can't publicly admit they got a fact wrong. Worse of all it's THE media she's arguing with and she can't let her boss see her being humiliated by them.

Oh and it's inappropriate to "get into a debate with a four-star Marine general" for some reason. I mean journalists should just accept all of the fake nonsense that gets peddled from the white house without question.
 
Stacko said:
After fundraising for race baiting Ed Gillespie Bush the Lesser said this? Someone just wanted to able to come out in public without getting raked over the coals for his abysmal Presidency.
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Gillespie is sad;he was a moderate on the social issues, but saw the success that Trump had with race baiting,and jumped on the band wagon.
 
Arcade22 said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...stion-john-kelly-because-hes-a-4-star-general

Kelly said something that was incorrect and when confronted with this Sanders covers for him because they can't publicly admit they got a fact wrong. Worse of all it's THE media she's arguing with and she can't let her boss see her being humiliated by them.

Oh and it's inappropriate to "get into a debate with a four-star Marine general" for some reason. I mean journalists should just accept all of the fake nonsense that gets peddled from the white house without question.
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The "We will say things and you're not supposed to doubt us." attitude started from the very beginning with the stupid inauguration attendance.

The Trump administration seems truly surprised that the press just doesn't regurgitate what they are told. Maybe Putin told Trump that's the way it works for him.
 
Spindrift said:
The "We will say things and you're not supposed to doubt us." attitude started from the very beginning with the stupid inauguration attendance.

The Trump administration seems truly surprised that the press just doesn't regurgitate what they are told. Maybe Putin told Trump that's the way it works for him.
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It just makes me think of my in laws and how they eat this stuff up.
 
Let's keep to the topic of this thread which is not about the protocol of being in a confined space listening or not to someone. Whichness of the why discussions do not belong in this thread.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Darat
 
pgwenthold said:
He won't recognize the similarities because he will focus on the difference. And it's true, he's not as racist as Trump. However, that is a matter of degree, not of kind. That Trump is way overboard does not make a less blatant racist any more acceptable.
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He's also ignoring his stoking homophobia to get out the vote for himself. Bush the Lesser lecturing someone on being divisive is really rich.
 
Spindrift said:
The "We will say things and you're not supposed to doubt us." attitude started from the very beginning with the stupid inauguration attendance.

The Trump administration seems truly surprised that the press just doesn't regurgitate what they are told. Maybe Putin told Trump that's the way it works for him.
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It reminds me of one of the xkcd comics, with someone standing in the crowd at a speech holding up a big sign with the Wikipedia [citation needed] on it.
 
Arcade22 said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...stion-john-kelly-because-hes-a-4-star-general

Kelly said something that was incorrect and when confronted with this Sanders covers for him because they can't publicly admit they got a fact wrong. Worse of all it's THE media she's arguing with and she can't let her boss see her being humiliated by them.

Oh and it's inappropriate to "get into a debate with a four-star Marine general" for some reason. I mean journalists should just accept all of the fake nonsense that gets peddled from the white house without question.
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Hiding behind past military service while sitting in a civilian government is despicable. They're insulting his previous service and his current office.
 
Stacko said:
It was hypocrisy. He's literally decrying Trump's divisive race baiting while helping a divisive race baiter. Bush the lesser said the right things but he clearly doesn't believe it based on his actions. Empty platitudes from hypocrites get exactly the credit they deserve.
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There were also those "push polls" alleging that McCain had a black child out of wedlock back in 2000.

But I thought it was obvious that his remarks were aimed at people like Richard Spencer more than Toupee Fiasco - or at least those particular remarks were. One can have, or play to, subtle biases, and still be disgusted by people marching around at night, carrying torches and shrieking Nazi slogans.

Although, Fiasco does seem to be one of few politicians who couldn't muster an immediate condemnation of that behavior. But he's also the most openly white supremacist president since at least WW2, so no shock there.

ETA: And while I think many of us liberals spent too much time demonizing him - he made massive mistakes, but wasn't the cartoonish supervillian many portrayed him as - I'm also not very impressed by what GWB said here in particular. He condemned nazism and white nationalism. Well, you have to be a real piece of scum to struggle with that.
 
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Oh and in case it went unnoticed in all the domestic stupidity Trump found time to annoy the British, again, and get in some Muslim bashing in a twofer!

Anger over Donald Trump's UK crime tweet

He said crime in the UK had risen by 13% amid the "spread" of Islamist terror - despite the figure referring to all crimes, not just terrorism.
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Reactions from many politicians but this was probably the best;

Conservative backbencher Nicholas Soames, grandson of Sir Winston Churchill, called the US president a "daft twerp" who needed to "fix gun control".
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Mumbles said:
ETA: And while I think many of us liberals spent too much time demonizing him - he made massive mistakes, but wasn't the cartoonish supervillian many portrayed him as - I'm also not very impressed by what GWB said here in particular. He condemned nazism and white nationalism. Well, you have to be a real piece of scum to struggle with that.
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No, the cartoon supervillains were Cheney and Rumsfeld, to whom Bush stupidly turned over much of the government, especially foreign policy. After he was forced to commute Scooter Libby's sentence, that changed a bit, but it was far too late.

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Stacko said:
He's also ignoring his stoking homophobia to get out the vote for himself. Bush the Lesser lecturing someone on being divisive is really rich.
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Yes, but Bush has his 'get out of jail free' card for his political history. I don't think that anyone thought another President would come along so quickly that would offer Bush the chance to NOT be the biggest embarrassment elected in recent memory.
 
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