Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories V: Five for Fighting

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Dave Rogers said:
Again, this has nothing to do with the post you're replying to. You've made it clear that you consider the suggestion absurd that a section of skull can be anything other than fixed rigidly in place or completely detached, so you're incapable of understanding the answer you've requested. You've employed the classic conspiracy theorist's tactic of demanding the correct answer be excluded before asking the question.

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How would you remove the brain without also removing the portion containing the purported entry wound on the upper back of the head? This is for the sake of discussion, because any such entry wound would also have to be separated because it was right beside the large defect on the top-right side of the skull which was so shattered that virtually no sawing was needed to remove the brain.
 
MicahJava said:
How would you remove the brain without also removing the portion containing the purported entry wound on the upper back of the head?
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It's called a bone saw. Doesn't take a lot of skill to use, and less skill not to cut the part of the skull you don't want to.

This is for the sake of discussion, because any such entry wound would also have to be separated because it was right beside the large defect on the top-right side of the skull which was so shattered that virtually no sawing was needed to remove the brain.
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...on that side of the head. Humes had the entire left side free to work the brain out - which he obviously did.
 
Axxman300 said:
You can clearly see some bone fragments HAVE BEEN REMOVED. You look but you do not see.
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The HSCA alleged that you can see the beveled cowlick entry on the skull photographs. For that to be true, they would have to piece together the upper back of the skull.
 
Axxman300 said:
Would explain your failed theory of a head wound below the cerebellum that doesn't sever the spinal cord.
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"Slightly above the EOP" is not below the cerebellum, it's near where the cerebellum meets the occipital lobe. The brainstem was slightly damaged, and the doctors thought that the damage was caused by the bullet instead of something post-mortem. The doctors took tissue samples of the cerebellum and brainstem because they thought they were directly damaged from the bullet entering near the EOP. That is written in the autopsy report.
 
MicahJava said:
The HSCA alleged that you can see the beveled cowlick entry on the skull photographs. For that to be true, they would have to piece together the upper back of the skull.
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And?

You realise reflecting the scalp means bones remain attached and can be put be back? Even if that bone was moved to remove the brain, even if we couldn't see other fragments missing, your claims don't mean the brain could not have been removed.
 
MicahJava said:
"Slightly above the EOP" is not below the cerebellum, it's near where the cerebellum meets the occipital lobe. The brainstem was slightly damaged, and the doctors thought that the damage was caused by the bullet instead of something post-mortem. The doctors took tissue samples of the cerebellum and brainstem because they thought they were directly damaged from the bullet entering near the EOP. That is written in the autopsy report.
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How does one tell if damage is direct or from trauma?

How does a bullet follow the path you describe, without trauma radiating outward from the wound path?
 
Axxman300 said:
I don't think so. JFK's clothing had been cut off his body at Parkland. The FBI looked at it, and the fibers of the jacket, shirt, and tie all indicate entry from the back exiting the front.

Checkmate.
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The direction of the fibers in Kennedy's clothing is not a reliable indicator of the path of the bullet.

See here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11795880&postcount=2989

Also, you falsely assume that if the back wound was an entry, and the throat wound an exit, that a bullet must have entered the back and exited the throat. Here I have argued that there is much more evidence that the throat wound is an exit for a projectile entering the back of the head.
 
MicahJava said:
It says the wound was 14 centimeters below the right mastoid process. The HSCA concluded that the autopsy photographs show the back wound slightly lower than the throat wound.
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Cavitation and deflection. The bullet was tumbling as it exited JFK's throat and entered Connally nearly sideways. Ballistics show this to be true.



If the clothing evidence is found to be incompatible with the autopsy photographs, then the photos are fake and the physical evidence wins.
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The clothing evidence IS physical evidence, and it all points to Oswald.
 
Tomtomkent said:
How does one tell if damage is direct or from trauma?
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I don't know, ask Dr. Humes. That's what he said. Forensic pathologist Dr. Finck arrived to the autopsy after the brain had already been removed, so there is n detail from him about that in his statements.

[/quote]How does a bullet follow the path you describe, without trauma radiating outward from the wound path?[/QUOTE]

Subsonic bullets often do not cause extensive fractures when entering the head. Also, there is evidence for fractures on the floor of the skull, where the EOP bullet could have encountered after entering.
 
Tomtomkent said:
And?

You realise reflecting the scalp means bones remain attached and can be put be back? Even if that bone was moved to remove the brain, even if we couldn't see other fragments missing, your claims don't mean the brain could not have been removed.
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1. That's not the proper way to remove a brain.

2. The autopsy doctors never said they did that.

3. The autopsy doctors specifically denied doing that.
 
MicahJava said:
The direction of the fibers in Kennedy's clothing is not a reliable indicator of the path of the bullet.
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Actually it's fairly cut and dried. Also, you can't cite yourself as proof.

We know where the shot came from, and where that bullet ended up.

Also, you falsely assume that if the back wound was an entry, and the throat wound an exit, that a bullet must have entered the back and exited the throat.
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It is what happened.

Here I have argued that there is much more evidence that the throat wound is an exit for a projectile entering the back of the head.
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You have failed in your argument.

What you allege is tactically impossible from a shooter's standpoint.

What you allege is physically impossible based on the angle you allege compared with the physical location.

What you allege is historically impossible, eye-witness testimony saw only one GSW to the head, these witnesses include everyone on the sidewalk less than ten feet away, and the Secret Service chase car directly behind.

What you allege is functionally impossible from a real-world conspiracy standpoint. Too many moving parts.

You are just not good at this.
 
MicahJava said:
Subsonic bullets often do not cause extensive fractures when entering the head. Also, there is evidence for fractures on the floor of the skull, where the EOP bullet could have encountered after entering.
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Depends on the caliber and where the bullet strikes the skull...which anyone with range time would know.

Your problem is you still can't grasp the power of the 6.5x52mm round, which did ALL of the damage all by it's lonesome.
 
MicahJava said:
1. That's not the proper way to remove a brain.

2. The autopsy doctors never said they did that.

3. The autopsy doctors specifically denied doing that.
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When did they deny doing that? When they said they extended the scalp wounds to examine the cranial content.

Or when the photographers stated that one of the sets of photographs taken was sanitised and partially reconstructed?
 
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