Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

Scorpion said:
Suffering can be the consequence of our making wrong actions. We do not have to do everything the hard way, it is our free choice.

The value of whatever we do is determined by our motives. But if you mean making people suffer to help them evolve, I doubt that defence would fly in a higher court.
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"Higher court"? Now you're talking about judgement and punishment, rather than evolution based on learning from mistakes.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
"Higher court"? Now you're talking about judgement and punishment, rather than evolution based on learning from mistakes.
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The angels of karma determine what we deserve and send us into lives where we reap what we have sowed. We may agree to that before the incarnation, because in the end we are our own judges.

There has to be some kind of administration to control our karma, and it is the angels job. God remains perfect above everything.
 
Some teachings of Silver Birch

Grief, sorrow, sickness and suffering are part of the means by which the children of earth are taught the greatest lessons. If truth were to be found with ease, it would not be appreciated. It is because truth comes in the hour of greatest sorrow or suffering that value is placed upon it by the one who is ready to receive. Trite though is may sound, you cannot obtain truth until you are spiritually ready.

Life is always a polarity. If there were no darkness there would be no light. If there were no trouble there could never be any peace. If the sun always shone you would not appreciate it. You have to learn sometimes through conditions that seem a nuisance. One day you will look back and say, "We learned our best lessons not when the sun was shining, but when the storm was at its greatest, when the thunder roared, the lightning flashed, the clouds obscured the sun and all seemed dark and hopeless". It is only when the soul is in adversity that some of its greatest possibilities can be realised
 
Scorpion said:
There may be many injustices taking place in the world, but the spirit world says that every injustice will be compensated in a future lifetime.
People who have been persecuted can do no better than forgive their enemies, as that firmly places the karma at the door of the perpetrators and frees the victims from hate and vengeance which would carry more karma.

The spirit world is strong on teaching we should help one another.
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The oppressed must roll over and take the abuse because they had it coming for past sins, and the evildoers should be left to their devices because they'll be oppressed in their next life...
And helping each other is a cynical way to improve one's own standing in the spirit world...

What a disgusting set of beliefs.
 
Porpoise of Life said:
The oppressed must roll over and take the abuse because they had it coming for past sins, and the evildoers should be left to their devices because they'll be oppressed in their next life...
And helping each other is a cynical way to improve one's own standing in the spirit world...

What a disgusting set of beliefs.
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Indeed; and none the more so for its vaseline vicissitude. When asked to focus, we get overview: it's all said by others; no personal involvement; it's all stuff from long ago; or something. When asked for a broader picture; we get hyper focus; the jots and tittles of spiritual administration in the halls of the abstract angels.

It's shameless and fetid. Worse, it's boring and vacant. It's silly putty for the soul.
 
Scorpion said:
The angels of karma determine what we deserve and send us into lives where we reap what we have sowed. We may agree to that before the incarnation, because in the end we are our own judges.

There has to be some kind of administration to control our karma, and it is the angels job. God remains perfect above everything.
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What we "deserve"? Not what will aid our spiritual growth more? These angels put us in the way of misery even if it's not necessary for our development? Evil really is good.
 
Why do so many of these english language "spiritual teachers" (if they are not using their real name) have Indian names (both Native American and South Asian)? Or ancient Egyptian names?

Seems rather odd.

And highly amusing.

Why do "enlightened spirits/souls" come from only those general cultural areas instead of from ALL the cultures/languages on the planet?
 
Zivan said:
Why do so many of these english language "spiritual teachers" (if they are not using their real name) have Indian names (both Native American and South Asian)? Or ancient Egyptian names?

Seems rather odd.

And highly amusing.

Why do "enlightened spirits/souls" come from only those general cultural areas instead of from ALL the cultures/languages on the planet?
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Most importantly; Who still uses Angelfire ?
 
abaddon said:
Everything on that link is eye-wateringly bonkers.

How about you start answering some direct questions?

What is an "aetheric body" and how exactly do you know about it?
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I have said several times that I first learned about the chakras and the etheric body, because I felt feelings like fire flowing through them. I saw a diagram of the seven main chakras in a book and immediately recognised them as the places where I had felt the fire. The chakras are energy centers in the etheric body that link the spirit body to the physical body.
I also felt feelings like electric cobwebs floating over my skin, and a sudden noise felt like a shock in the cobweb.
The problem also effected my mind and I could not concentrate and my thoughts raced out of control. I felt I could not grip my thoughts.

Eventually a medium told me the reason I felt these things was my etheric body was loose, so I had a lot of healing and eventually the problem was cured.
 
MikeG said:
Around the same time you took actual medication.
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In the early 1970's the psychiatric drugs were nothing but knock out drops that turned you into a zombie. I am 100% certain it was not the drugs that cured my unusual feelings. In fact those feelings continued for a couple of years while I was taking medication and they only stopped when I went to a spiritualist church and had healing. I could often feel the healing as a kind of psychic warmth.
 
Porpoise of Life said:
Yeah, how can they 'grow up in the spirit world' if they can only develop in the physical world?

It's almost as if you've combined the lies of psychic #1 trying to comfort grieving (would-be) parents with the lies of psychic #2 pontificating on the Natural Order, without noticing the incompatibility of their claims.
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Isn't it weird. It's almost as if it was all totally made up rubbish with no verifiable basis in reality! :eek:
 
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