Cont: The Trump Presidency Part III

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Arcade22 said:
http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...fallen-soldier-trump-did-disrespect-my-family

Right now would be a pretty good time for Trump to show off his proof that this conversation was completely made up. I'm not going to hold my breath though.
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One thing I've seen on the alt-right message boards I frequent is that him saying something like this is pretty much taken as gospel and nothing can change that. Even if he later backs off of a position (like that birther nonsense) they won't be bothered by that. He might look like a fool to everyone else, but his base either won't care or they'll somehow convince themselves that he won.
 
Civet said:
One thing I've seen on the alt-right message boards I frequent is that him saying something like this is pretty much taken as gospel and nothing can change that. Even if he later backs off of a position (like that birther nonsense) they won't be bothered by that. He might look like a fool to everyone else, but his base either won't care or they'll somehow convince themselves that he won.
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I am worried for the wife of the fallen soldier.
Some Trumpistas might be very upset with her for making their leader look bad.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Trump’s net worth dropped $600 million on the Forbes 400 list of wealthiest Americans, dropping 92 places to #248.

Still, $3.1 billion is nothing to sneeze at.
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Trump supporters are taking it like the well adjusted people they are.

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It's totally not a cult of personality.
 
And another Trump attack blows up in his face...won't impact the True Believers, but I suspect it will do damage with the undecided voters.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
I am worried for the wife of the fallen soldier.
Some Trumpistas might be very upset with her for making their leader look bad.
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I hadn't thought of that but some sort of harassment does seem like a very real risk. I'd guess the Congresswoman might be in for it as well.
 
Imagine Obama or Bush telling the grieving family of a fallen soldier "he knew what he was signing up for." What a disgusting and despicable thing to say.
 
zorro99 said:
Imagine Obama or Bush telling the grieving family of a fallen soldier "he knew what he was signing up for." What a disgusting and despicable thing to say.
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Coming under these circumstances, it is despicable.
In the service, when somebodies normal ,healthy griping (all soliders gripe) crosses the border into whining and self pity,his teammates would hit him with that. But they would never do it under these circumstances.
 
zorro99 said:
Imagine Obama or Bush telling the grieving family of a fallen soldier "he knew what he was signing up for." What a disgusting and despicable thing to say.
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Not that he deserves the benefit of the doubt, but context might matter. If he said something along the lines of, "He is a hero. War is brutal. He knew what he signed up for and he sacrificed all for his country. He is a true patriot and will be missed"

Trump isn't very eloquent, so he might have been trying to imply something like that, and botched it.

He is terrible, but I am doubtful he meant it like, "**** happens. He knew the risks"
 
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zorro99 said:
Imagine Obama or Bush telling the grieving family of a fallen soldier "he knew what he was signing up for." What a disgusting and despicable thing to say.
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If he really added "...but I guess it hurts anyway," that adds another level of disgust.
 
Spindrift said:
Bob001 said:
The Constitution provides that the House may impeach a President in a process similar to indictment, and the Senate may convict him and remove him from office in a process similar to a trial. The 25th Amendment sets out a process for removal that starts with the vice president and cabinet. Question: Is there a process or mechanism by which the Senate could initiate a removal on its own?
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No.
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Or maybe more like ... sort of.

Both processes involve the entire Congress. As Bob001 described, with Impeachment the House makes the charges and presents them, and the Senate tries and possibly convicts.

The method outlined in the 25th Amendment is less precisely prescribed in some respects. The exact wording of Sect. 4 is;

".... majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide"

The highlighted part is where there is an alternative. "Congress" as used in the Constitution means both the House and the Senate. Just as with the impeachment process it was the intent to have both chambers of the legislative branch participate in this process.

Exactly how that might be done is not described, and since it has never been done yet there is no precedent. But it is pretty clear that the "Congress" can do something, and that they get to decide what that something is.

So, no, the Senate alone can't remove the President, but they could certainly initiate such a process, at least in the limited sense that they could begin discussions with the House of Representatives and that subsequently the two chambers could jointly craft and apply a procedure which they agree upon.
 
The Don said:
There are still people undecided about President Trump :eek:
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I've encountered some conservatives who feel deeply conflicted - they like him on a lot of policy areas but have serious problems with his character - who've told me that they'd really love to vote for someone else. Generally these are folks who didn't support him in the primary.
 
Pterodactyl said:
Not that he deserves the benefit of the doubt, but context might matter. If he said something along the lines of, "He is a hero. War is brutal. He knew what he signed up for and he sacrificed all for his country. He is a true patriot and will be missed"

Trump isn't very eloquent, so he might have been trying to imply something like that, and botched it.

He is terrible, but I am doubtful he meant it like, "**** happens. He knew the risks"
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He denies saying what she says he said and that he has proof. He didn't apologize for a lack of eloquence.
 
quadraginta said:
Or maybe more like ... sort of.

Both processes involve the entire Congress. As Bob001 described, with Impeachment the House makes the charges and presents them, and the Senate tries and possibly convicts.

The method outlined in the 25th Amendment is less precisely prescribed in some respects. The exact wording of Sect. 4 is;

".... majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide"

The highlighted part is where there is an alternative. "Congress" as used in the Constitution means both the House and the Senate. Just as with the impeachment process it was the intent to have both chambers of the legislative branch participate in this process.

Exactly how that might be done is not described, and since it has never been done yet there is no precedent. But it is pretty clear that the "Congress" can do something, and that they get to decide what that something is.

So, no, the Senate alone can't remove the President, but they could certainly initiate such a process, at least in the limited sense that they could begin discussions with the House of Representatives and that subsequently the two chambers could jointly craft and apply a procedure which they agree upon.
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That body can only remove the president temporarily when they think "the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office." They can't use the 25th amendment to remove him because they think he's immoral, unethical or even criminal. And the president just needs to give the Speaker and President pro tempore a letter saying, "I'm okay, I can do the job." and he's back on the job unless that body that tried to remove him restates that "No you ain't" and then it gets dumped into Congress to decide once and for all.

ETA: Section 4 of the 25th Amendment was intended to be used when the President was mentally or physically incapacitated. Not when he's a moronic, embarrassing douche nozzle as is currently the case.
 
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Arcade22 said:
Yeah folks this is what patriotism is all: being an insensitive jerk to war widows and not just making them cry but also lying about doing so and lying about having proof of your innocence.

Just goes to show how much he loves America and its precious flag unlike all those worthless America hating (n-word) athletes!
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While wiping his ass with that flag - when he remembers to wipe after defecating!!!!!
 
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