Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

[Scorpion]

If you damage a chakra, is your consciousness affected? Is this a measurable effect?

I have only my personal experience on that and I would say that my chakras were misaligned, due to my etheric body being loosened, and this caused me
no end of problems. The cause of the damage to my etheric body was depression and mental stress, and the effect was that I felt I could not grip my mind. I felt fire flowing through my chakras and I conclude this was energy jumping across a gap between the chakras, and the location of the body they were supposed to be linked to.

I had a lot of spiritual healing and it fixed the problem and my mind became clearer. I then learned to channel healing energy through my own chakras.
I could feel the healing energy as a kind of warmth,

 

[Scorpion]

Do you really want my honest critique of that post? No holds barred? Brakes off?

Please feel free to post your views, I am far from fragile after all my experiences.

 

[Donn]

The spirits say...

I was with you until there; then you boarded the plea train on its special circular route. Far as I know, you're still on-board, going around and around and around. How profound.

 

[Scorpion]

This has interesting implications. Does it imply that all abortion is wrong because it's depriving a spirit of its home/opportunity/evolution? Or does it imply that abortion is just fine because the spirit will learn something and just reincarnate?

In fact, does it imply that absolutely no action a human can take is wrong, because it's all part of God's plan to make our souls evolve?

It might be said that abortion is wrong because it deprives a soul of its intended experiences. But the spirit of a baby or fetus that dies goes back to the spirit world and grows up there. It probably will eventually choose to reincarnate again because that is how we evolve. But it will not usually remember its previous incarnation. I think we only remember all our past lives when we have completed our cycle of incarnations.

A spirit guide said if we could prematurely remember past lives, and evil things we might have done, it could drive us mad. This is one of the reasons why we incarnate in the first place. So that we are given a new brain that only remembers this one life.

Wrong action has consequences and we have to account for everything we have ever done before we are free of the cycle of rebirths.

All this is administrated by the angels of karma who determine what is best for us from behind the scenes. They guide us to an incarnation that suits or spiritual needs, even if the life is hard. The angels know its for our ultimate good, so they are indifferent to our sufferings.

 

[Scorpion]

How can one identify any difference between the claimed location of a chakra and an immediately adjacent point that is not a chakra?

I dunno, but I recommend a book called 'Hands of light' by Barbara Brennan.

 

[Scorpion]

FYI, while both Freud and Jung are considered two of the forefathers of psychology, most people who currently study psychology are aware that their conclusions have been largely disproven.

I have a bachelor's degree in psychology, in case you're wondering how I know that.

I assume that makes you a psychologist, not a psychiatrist. Therefore I assume you do not treat the mentally ill. Nor did you take the Hippocratic oath.

 

[Myriad]

It might be said that abortion is wrong because it deprives a soul of its intended experiences. But the spirit of a baby or fetus that dies goes back to the spirit world and grows up there. It probably will eventually choose to reincarnate again because that is how we evolve. But it will not usually remember its previous incarnation. I think we only remember all our past lives when we have completed our cycle of incarnations.

A spirit guide said if we could prematurely remember past lives, and evil things we might have done, it could drive us mad. This is one of the reasons why we incarnate in the first place. So that we are given a new brain that only remembers this one life.

Wrong action has consequences and we have to account for everything we have ever done before we are free of the cycle of rebirths.

All this is administrated by the angels of karma who determine what is best for us from behind the scenes. They guide us to an incarnation that suits or spiritual needs, even if the life is hard. The angels know its for our ultimate good, so they are indifferent to our sufferings.

How are all those lifetimes of memories stored while we're experiencing multiple incarnated lifetimes until completion of our respective cycles of rebirth?

Since apparently the angels of karma have the ability to curate lifetimes of memories, collecting them and withholding them and restoring them at will, why are more incarnations needed at this point? If even one being has completed the cycle, why not give all other spirits a copy of that one spirit's multiple-lifetime memories and get them all moved on to the next plane already?

And for that matter, what's the point of training new spirits? In the incarnated world we educate our children to replace us because we're going to die. What are new angels in the spirit world needed for?

 

[John Jones]

Both Freud and Jung have attempted to define psychic energy.

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/ajp.112.5.372?journalCode=ajp

Neither Freud nor Jung were scientists.

 

[Myriad]

All this is administrated by the angels of karma who determine what is best for us from behind the scenes. They guide us to an incarnation that suits or spiritual needs, even if the life is hard. The angels know its for our ultimate good, so they are indifferent to our sufferings.

Oh, and this part.

Is the purpose of experiencing suffering during incarnation, then, to learn to be indifferent to it, the way the angels are?

That seems to be rather the reverse of what most believers in reincarnation say happens during the cycle of rebirth, which includes learning compassion. But if those people are right, why aren't the angels practicing what they're preaching?

 

[Scorpion]

How are all those lifetimes of memories stored while we're experiencing multiple incarnated lifetimes until completion of our respective cycles of rebirth?

Since apparently the angels of karma have the ability to curate lifetimes of memories, collecting them and withholding them and restoring them at will, why are more incarnations needed at this point? If even one being has completed the cycle, why not give all other spirits a copy of that one spirit's multiple-lifetime memories and get them all moved on to the next plane already?

And for that matter, what's the point of training new spirits? In the incarnated world we educate our children to replace us because we're going to die. What are new angels in the spirit world needed for?

All memory of past lives is stored in the soul body, which is formless and expandable. We have several bodies and the soul body is the highest.

We all have to learn for ourselves, and settle our own karma. Nobody else can make our choices for us.

We are all immortal individuals and continue on into infinity together as one great spiritual family. An immortal spirit can hardly be replaced by reproducing.

 

[Scorpion]

Oh, and this part.

Is the purpose of experiencing suffering during incarnation, then, to learn to be indifferent to it, the way the angels are?

That seems to be rather the reverse of what most believers in reincarnation say happens during the cycle of rebirth, which includes learning compassion. But if those people are right, why aren't the angels practicing what they're preaching?

No suffering is the karmic consequences of our bad action, and as you say it is designed to make changes in our soul. Such as learning compassion for others after suffering ourselves.

 

[Donn]

.. formless and expandable...

The perfect pardon.

 

[Donn]

I miss Slowvehicle. He did this all with such style.

 

[Myriad]

All memory of past lives is stored in the soul body, which is formless and expandable. We have several bodies and the soul body is the highest.

This is a contradiction. Memory is information, which is form persisting over time. What form do our stored soul-body memories take?

We all have to learn for ourselves, and settle our own karma. Nobody else can make our choices for us.

This seems like a very crude and primitive system. Here in the incarnated world, we learn from the experiences of others.

When I was a pre-teen I read first-person accounts of the experiences of heroin addicts and their families, that were published in the newspaper. Those experiences, conveyed by written words, made me fear addiction and convinced me not to use addictive recreational drugs. This valuable learning clearly did NOT come from the memories of any past lives (which as you point out I have no access to in my present incarnation).

That appears to be more effective than the angels' system, which apparently can only teach me about addiction if I experience it myself. (Will they send me back to "try again" to be a drug addict in my next life?)

Furthermore, education is a progressive process. That's why courses have prerequisites. It's much easier to learn to write if you've already learned to read, because you can read many examples of writing. It's much easier to learn calculus if you've already learned algebra. "Welcome to fifth grade; first thing we'll do is erase all your memories of fourth grade, then start over."

As a teaching and learning process, the system you describe is atrocious.

We are all immortal individuals and continue on into infinity together as one great spiritual family. An immortal spirit can hardly be replaced by reproducing.

That sounds all spiritually sparkly but it doesn't connect to moral behavior very well. Would an immortal spirit living infinitely be much inconvenienced by being murdered, or a few lifetimes of abject slavery? Not a bit; in fact those would be invaluable learning experiences. So go ahead and murder and enslave away...

 

[Myriad]

No suffering is the karmic consequences of our bad action, and as you say it is designed to make changes in our soul. Such as learning compassion for others after suffering ourselves.

Yet the angels, whom you've implied to be more advanced spiritual beings who have already learned all this, are indifferent to our suffering. According to you.

This makes no sense. Even with the escape clause "... as long as it's for our own good" doesn't make sense. If you had to operate on a child to save its life, and you had anesthesia available, would you choose not to bother with it because the surgery is for their own good?

Of course you wouldn't. Congratulations; you're more spiritually advanced than your angels. I guess you'll be moving on to a higher plane soon.

 

[jrhowell]

It's too bad that God can't just create people to be the way he wants them to be and had to come up with this complicated system instead.

 

[Sabrina]

I assume that makes you a psychologist, not a psychiatrist. Therefore I assume you do not treat the mentally ill. Nor did you take the Hippocratic oath.

Actually it makes me neither, as I don't have a doctorate or a medical degree.

I assume you're aware that a bachelor's is an undergraduate degree, not a post graduate degree such as would be necessary if I were one of those.

I am, however, an analyst. As such, I can take data from various sources, examine it, and reach a logical conclusion as to a potential outcome. Nothing that you are saying makes any sort of logical sense, therefore, I must conclude that it is utter balderdash, to coin a phrase.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

I have only my personal experience on that and I would say that my chakras were misaligned, due to my etheric body being loosened, and this caused me
no end of problems. The cause of the damage to my etheric body was depression and mental stress, and the effect was that I felt I could not grip my mind. I felt fire flowing through my chakras and I conclude this was energy jumping across a gap between the chakras, and the location of the body they were supposed to be linked to.

I had a lot of spiritual healing and it fixed the problem and my mind became clearer. I then learned to channel healing energy through my own chakras.
I could feel the healing energy as a kind of warmth,

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I meant actual physical damage to an area of the body associated with a particular chakra. Does this change your consciousness, and is this a measurable effect? Is it something that trauma units in hospitals, for example, have noticed?

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

It might be said that abortion is wrong because it deprives a soul of its intended experiences. But the spirit of a baby or fetus that dies goes back to the spirit world and grows up there. It probably will eventually choose to reincarnate again because that is how we evolve. But it will not usually remember its previous incarnation. I think we only remember all our past lives when we have completed our cycle of incarnations.

A spirit guide said if we could prematurely remember past lives, and evil things we might have done, it could drive us mad. This is one of the reasons why we incarnate in the first place. So that we are given a new brain that only remembers this one life.

Wrong action has consequences and we have to account for everything we have ever done before we are free of the cycle of rebirths.

All this is administrated by the angels of karma who determine what is best for us from behind the scenes. They guide us to an incarnation that suits or spiritual needs, even if the life is hard. The angels know its for our ultimate good, so they are indifferent to our sufferings.

If I'm reading this correctly, then abortion is a good thing for everybody involved, including the unborn foetus. Is that your position?

Given that everything that happens to everybody, including doing "evil things", is ultimately of benefit to everybody can you think of a single action anybody could perform which can be considered wrong in the grand scheme of things?

 

[Myriad]

It's too bad that God can't just create people to be the way he wants them to be and had to come up with this complicated system instead.

Um, that's mixing divergent and largely incompatible religious narratives. Most traditions of reincarnation do not involve a creator god who made perfect humans sometime in the past. Instead, the spirits currently experiencing cycles of reincarnation as humans graduated from earlier cycles of incarnation in less developed forms including animals, after originally emerging from some sort of primordial life-chaos, in an ongoing process.

There's plenty to question about the reincarnation narrative, but that it isn't the same narrative as Abrahamic monotheism's (or easily compatible with it) shouldn't really be an issue.