California mandates pet stores adopt rescues

[Travis]

In yet another obvious Libtard overreach California has outlawed pet stores using puppy mills just because they are cruel. Instead the special snowflakes think animals should not be put through misery and will now require pet stores to adopt out rescues.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/ess...-the-first-state-to-1507935373-htmlstory.html
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/california-requires-pet-stores-to-sell-rescue-animals

I bet the rescue dogs won't even stand for the flag or help slut shame women. No wonder God is punishing the state with wildfires. #MAGA

 

[Octavo]

This is a nice idea, but it doesn't go far enough if you are serious about animal rights.

Pet stores should be banned from selling live animals entirely. All pets should come from rescue centers and they should all be neutered before being adopted out.

 

[applecorped]

"AB 485 blocks all of California’s pet lovers from having access to professional, licensed, and ethical commercial breeders,” said Sheila Goffe, vice president of government relations for the kennel club, in a statement. “This is not good for Californians or their companion animals.”

 

[DragonLady]

This is a nice idea, but it doesn't go far enough if you are serious about animal rights.

Pet stores should be banned from selling live animals entirely. All pets should come from rescue centers and they should all be neutered before being adopted out.

How long would "Pets" still be a thing? How many years before there are no new ones being born?

Somewhere I read we're already importing rescued dogs from other countries because there aren't enough left in the USA to supply the demand.

But, I disagree that pet shops shouldn't be able to buy animals from where ever they choose. Not all breeders are "puppy mills" but the dogs that are born into those circumstances need homes just as badly as those who are found as strays.

Further, the whole dog rescue operation is quickly becoming another business model, IMO. Grabbing stray dogs, fixing 'em up and then charging ridiculous "rehoming" fees that rival the costs of buying a purebred is probably quite profitable in some areas, if anyone really cares to crunch the numbers.

 

[Octavo]

How long would "Pets" still be a thing? How many years before there are no new ones being born?

You're not going to be able to raise my outrage until dogs and cats are on the endangered species list. At that point I'll buy a bumper sticker and start a change.org petition.

 

[Rolfe]

I'm a bit dubious about this. I don't like the idea of pet shops selling dogs and cats at all. Small furries may be a different matter of course.

Ideally, get a rescue pet directly from the rescue centre, or get a puppy or kitten directly from the breeder. The idea of pet shops selling and profiting from the work of rescue centres makes me quite uncomfortable.

The purpose is to outlaw puppy farms of course. I think there are better ways of doing that.

 

[Lithrael]

I'd need a cite of some kind on "we're out of dogs" because that sounds like.. completely bonkers. I am, one might say, incredulous.

I can't think of many downsides to making dogs/cats a little harder to buy anyway. You'd just have to do it in a way that doesn't drive business to shady mills. Half of that is public education/making it unfashionable to have got your dog from an inhumane source. Kind of like people were trying to make it unfashionable to buy teacup breeds cause of the severity of their health issues.

 

[Varanid]

I don't think there is anything wrong with breeding animals for pets, nor do I think there is anything wrong with selling them for a profit.

The problem is the mistreatment of animals.

If I ever have a large plot of land and the room/resources to do so, I will adopt a few rescues. Until then, I will continue to purchase the breed I want, from the breeder I want, so that I have a better idea what I am getting.

There are downsides to adopting rescues. Nobody ever seems to acknowledge this fact.
ETA: For example, one of the most important things to do when adding a new pet to your home is to research your new pet's needs, tendencies and characteristics. How can you possibly do this with a dog of unknown ancestry? Just because the kid at the shelter tells you it is a lab-mix doesn't mean it is.

 

[BobTheCoward]

ETA: For example, one of the most important things to do when adding a new pet to your home is to research your new pet's needs, tendencies and characteristics. How can you possibly do this with a dog of unknown ancestry? Just because the kid at the shelter tells you it is a lab-mix doesn't mean it is.

Part of buying a shelter pet that is just a mutt is to lower breed specific risks if "needs, tendencies, and characteristics." So while my dogs have had unknown risks, specific risks such as breathing or hip problems were lower.

 

[Disbelief]

I'd need a cite of some kind on "we're out of dogs" because that sounds like.. completely bonkers. I am, one might say, incredulous.

It is because of need in some locations like the Southwest, so dogs are brought in from Mexico. I know, because when I lived in Mexico we fostered three dogs that were placed in the US through a group called Save a Mexican Mutt. I'd have to look for e better cite, not just anecdote though.

 

[The Greater Fool]

This prevents pet stores from selling puppy mill puppies.

Would this law prevent a person that wants a pure breed Chihuahua from buying directly from a breeder?

 

[Meadmaker]

"AB 485 blocks all of California’s pet lovers from having access to professional, licensed, and ethical commercial breeders,” said Sheila Goffe, vice president of government relations for the kennel club, in a statement. “This is not good for Californians or their companion animals.”

Is this statement true? Or does it just mean that you can't get a genuine, certified, Labrador Retriever from your corner pet store?

As is so often the case, the news stories barely contain any information, and are presented as "these people like it but those people don't", which is pretty useless.

I'll bet that under this law, a pet store can still work directly with a dog breeder to provide dogs to their customers. They can just sell a "dog package", which consists of everything you need for a new puppy, and work with the dog breeder to arrange delivery if you are looking for a specific breed. I suspect the only thing disallowed under this system is the display of animals from some source other than a rescue center. It's not that you can't get a purebred from a breeder. It's just that the breeder can't put a dog into a pet store on consignment.

Of course, there's not enough information in the news articles to be sure of that, but that's what it appears to me.



For some anecdotal comparison, when we bought our two kittens, we got them from the Humane Society, but we got them at the local pet store. They partner up to show animals at the store. We get the animals, of course we buy a whole bunch of supplies from the pet store. We pay a fee for neutering/immunizations/etc. There's some promotional stuff thrown in, such as one month of free pet insurance, which came in awfully handy when one of our kittens got a urinary blockage 27 days after we got him, and we continued the insurance to this day, eight years later. Seems like a win for us, the Humane Society, the pet store, and the kittens. It's a good system.

 

[ahhell]

How long would "Pets" still be a thing? How many years before there are no new ones being born?

Somewhere I read we're already importing rescued dogs from other countries because there aren't enough left in the USA to supply the demand.

My niece bought a rescue dog from Taiwan, this story is true. Her claim was that the local shelters were almost exclusively full of pitbull mixes.

I would not be surprised if the bill were written in such a way as to effectively ban all purebreds either on purpose or accidentally or not at all.

 

[Segnosaur]

For some anecdotal comparison, when we bought our two kittens, we got them from the Humane Society, but we got them at the local pet store. They partner up to show animals at the store. We get the animals, of course we buy a whole bunch of supplies from the pet store. We pay a fee for neutering/immunizations/etc. There's some promotional stuff thrown in, such as one month of free pet insurance, which came in awfully handy when one of our kittens got a urinary blockage 27 days after we got him, and we continued the insurance to this day, eight years later. Seems like a win for us, the Humane Society, the pet store, and the kittens. It's a good system.

The local Pet Smart stores (and I think a few other pet store chains) do the same thing here.... they have cats (and rarely dogs) on display, but they are from the local humane society. (This is up in Canada btw.)

 

[CaptainHowdy]

In yet another obvious Libtard overreach California has outlawed pet stores using puppy mills just because they are cruel. Instead the special snowflakes think animals should not be put through misery and will now require pet stores to adopt out rescues.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/ess...-the-first-state-to-1507935373-htmlstory.html
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/california-requires-pet-stores-to-sell-rescue-animals

I bet the rescue dogs won't even stand for the flag or help slut shame women. No wonder God is punishing the state with wildfires. #MAGA

Auschwitz and The Middle Passage were more humane than puppy mills. We banned slavery because it was "cruel" and it didn't even involve cute little doggies.

 

[The Big Dog]

In yet another obvious Libtard overreach California has outlawed pet stores using puppy mills just because they are cruel. Instead the special snowflakes think animals should not be put through misery and will now require pet stores to adopt out rescues.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/ess...-the-first-state-to-1507935373-htmlstory.html
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/california-requires-pet-stores-to-sell-rescue-animals

I bet the rescue dogs won't even stand for the flag or help slut shame women. No wonder God is punishing the state with wildfires. #MAGA

WTF was all that nonsense for in the OP??

 

[TJM]

Bait.

 

[Belz...]

Switch.

 

[TX50]

Seeing this thread, I've only now realised that a "rescue dog" isn't a dog that rescues people from under collapsed buildings and stuff.

 

[Meadmaker]

Seeing this thread, I've only now realised that a "rescue dog" isn't a dog that rescues people from under collapsed buildings and stuff.

I first heard the word "rescue" applied specifically to dogs "rescued" from dog racing. It was "rescued dogs", but of course that quickly morphed to "rescue dogs", which does conflict with dogs that are used to perform rescues, as opposed to dogs needing to be rescued. I think now the term is used for any dog that would be euthanized if it were not adopted, i.e. pretty much any dog from what used to be known as the "dog pound".