Cont: The Trump Presidency Part III

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Fast Eddie B said:
I LOVE it! :D
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I do, too.

I want to see him get pushed on this, and pushed, and pushed. Until he breaks.

He can't call it a distraction or focusing on the wrong things. HE brought it up, they need to get him to answer to it.

Of course, Tillerson may want it to go away quietly, but if he had any decency he would have quit long ago so I don't care about dragging him along.
 
pgwenthold said:
I do, too.

I want to see him get pushed on this, and pushed, and pushed. Until he breaks.

He can't call it a distraction or focusing on the wrong things. HE brought it up, they need to get him to answer to it.

Of course, Tillerson may want it to go away quietly, but if he had any decency he would have quit long ago so I don't care about dragging him along.
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This event is a likely to happen in an impartial manner as Trump is to release his tax returns.
 
pgwenthold said:
Of course, Tillerson may want it to go away quietly, but if he had any decency he would have quit long ago so I don't care about dragging him along.
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Why? I think Tillerson is really trying to serve the country. I might not like his politics but he does appear to be trying to avert a shooting war. One reaction could be "This guy is a moron (or worse) and I refuse to be associated with him." But another could be "This guy is not competent; I need to stick around to try to mitigate the damage."

I heard a local radio host saying Mathis, Tillerson and Kelly aren't necessarily free to quit; they might stay out of a sense of duty to the country - not the same thing as being a Trump sycophant.
 
Craig B said:
My problem is the same as the problem experienced by a nuclear plant receiving a supply of coal. I can't use it as a default fuel to boil water or cook, exactly because of its filth. It needs special hearths to burn in, and flues to remove smoke and gases, and I don't have these at home. I use electricity as main cooking and heating energy. Or a small table-top gas cylinder or alcohol stove to boil water or heat soup in an emergency, on the rare occasions of power cuts.

However, coal is of no use to me. I don't have the domestic infrastructure; and the city council wouldn't let me use non-smokeless fuel anyway, even if I had a chimney.
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Yeah, I'm picturing it as being something like charcoal, or buffalo dung. Even with charcoal you need accelerant to get it to burn. I do come here to learn!
 
dudalb said:
Just a couple of days after Trump said he has full confidence in Tillerson.
Tillerson is a dead man walking:when Trump says he has full confidence in you you can kiss your poltical butt goodbye.
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I would be sorry to see it. I was never a fan of Tillerson. I was much concerned about his Russian ties, but he seems to be one of the grownups.

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Senator Corker's seeming to have grown a spine must be motivated in part at least by the relief of pressure in not having to seek re-election. This makes me kind of wish that elected officials had but one term to serve; this would permit a more ready expression of actual principles. It's abundantly clear that the elected politician's overriding task is the winning of the next election. And begging for funds to achieve this. Which too easily leads to the jettisoning of dignity. And the debasement to the status of fellow-traveling toady and lickspittle under such unprincipled gargoyles as Trump. Which can go so far as this. Recall lo those months ago the cringe-inducing, shameful display exhibited by the Cabinet of lapdogs as they cravenly thanked their orange Sun-god for the priveledge of basking in the glow of his beneficent beams. Christ! That was but a short step from swearing an oath of fealty to the Dear Leader.

Really. When the dust settles after this Administration has been ousted and some sober reflection has been undertaken, this will make for one eyebrow-raising chapter in American history. Unless we collectively continue to spiral down the drain in a civilization-destroying ****-up.
 
Since announcing his retirement, Corker has lashed out at Trump, saying in a New York Times interview that the White House is like an adult daycare center and that Trump could lead the country into World War III.

Trump responded Tuesday by mocking Corker’s height.

Sanders on Tuesday bristled at Corker’s criticism, rattling off a list of accomplishments she said Trump has achieved in his first months in office, including new sanctions on North Korea, battlefield gains against the Islamic State and a “vision of principled realism that is creating calm around the world and defeating our enemies.”
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http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/354748-white-house-hammers-gop-senator-escalating-feud

HAHAHAHA!
 
Lurch said:
Senator Corker's seeming to have grown a spine must be motivated in part at least by the relief of pressure in not having to seek re-election. This makes me kind of wish that elected officials had but one term to serve; this would permit a more ready expression of actual principles. It's abundantly clear that the elected politician's overriding task is the winning of the next election. And begging for funds to achieve this. Which too easily leads to the jettisoning of dignity. And the debasement to the status of fellow-traveling toady and lickspittle under such unprincipled gargoyles as Trump. Which can go so far as this. Recall lo those months ago the cringe-inducing, shameful display exhibited by the Cabinet of lapdogs as they cravenly thanked their orange Sun-god for the priveledge of basking in the glow of his beneficent beams. Christ! That was but a short step from swearing an oath of fealty to the Dear Leader.

Really. When the dust settles after this Administration has been ousted and some sober reflection has been undertaken, this will make for one eyebrow-raising chapter in American history. Unless we collectively continue to spiral down the drain in a civilization-destroying ****-up.
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This beholden aspect of politicians is why I'd like the UK upper house to be chosen by lot. I have heard the US system as being an analogue of the UK system as it was in 1777 but with an elected head of state. It does make sense - in the UK since then Lords (Senate) has had its power greatly reduced, and the head of state even more so. Of course, the current system for the Lords achieved something in replacing hereditary peers with a worse system, namely an upper house filled with an unlimited number of appointees from the Prime Minster
 
dudalb said:
I am beginning to think the 25th Admendment being invoked might be a real possibility.
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I agree and I am predicting that it will come as a sudden "The emperor has no clothes" moment. So many people in the Congress and in the administration know that Trump is a petulant, egotistical, ignorant jerk who is dangerously unfit to be President. Yet they continue to hope that they can control him enough to get their own agendas implemented. And they are afraid of his wraith (and that of his followers) should they actually speak the truth. Yet, as in the fable, it will take only a small critical mass to unleash what everyone knows but is still afraid to admit in public. In the fable- a child did it. In Trump-nation- perhaps a few more Senators such as Corker can do it. Or one or two cabinet members. Then the dam will be broken and a much larger group of important Republicans will get on board and publicly speak what they say only privately now: Trump is not fit to be President. And they will act accordingly in regard to the 25th amendment.

And of course the way Trump has created many enemies among the Republican leadership with his insults and put downs will only accelerate the process- he doesn't have real allies in Congress or even in his cabinet- he has resentful underlings/lackeys waiting for revenge. Add to that the very real fearing Congress that Trump might actually lead us into WWIII in North Korea; this would not be a plus even for the Republican agenda.
 
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Lurch said:
Senator Corker's seeming to have grown a spine must be motivated in part at least by the relief of pressure in not having to seek re-election. This makes me kind of wish that elected officials had but one term to serve; this would permit a more ready expression of actual principles. It's abundantly clear that the elected politician's overriding task is the winning of the next election. And begging for funds to achieve this. Which too easily leads to the jettisoning of dignity. And the debasement to the status of fellow-traveling toady and lickspittle under such unprincipled gargoyles as Trump. Which can go so far as this. Recall lo those months ago the cringe-inducing, shameful display exhibited by the Cabinet of lapdogs as they cravenly thanked their orange Sun-god for the priveledge of basking in the glow of his beneficent beams. Christ! That was but a short step from swearing an oath of fealty to the Dear Leader.

Really. When the dust settles after this Administration has been ousted and some sober reflection has been undertaken, this will make for one eyebrow-raising chapter in American history. Unless we collectively continue to spiral down the drain in a civilization-destroying ****-up.
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I think the pressure to haul in campaign funding from the private sector is what's killing US politics. These funds are dominated by the richest of the rich. The People only get to choose among those candidates pre-selected by the donor class. The Kochs, the Mercers, the few 10,000 of less-known millionaires and managers.

Term limits would not change that.
 
Giordano said:
I agree and I am predicting that it will come as a sudden "The emperor has no clothes" moment. So many people in the Congress and in the administration know that Trump is a petulant, egotistical, ignorant jerk who is dangerously unfit to be President. Yet they continue to hope that they can control him enough to get their own agendas implemented. And they are afraid of his wraith (and that of his followers) should they actually speak the truth. Yet, as in the fable, it will take only a small critical mass to unleash what everyone knows but is still afraid to admit in public. In the fable- a child did it. In Trump-nation- perhaps a few more Senators such as Corker can do it. Or one or two cabinet members. Then the dam will be broken and a much larger group of important Republicans will get on board and publicly speak what they say only privately now: Trump is not fit to be President. And they will act accordingly in regard to the 25th amendment.

And of course the way Trump has created many enemies among the Republican leadership with his insults and put downs will only accelerate the process- he doesn't have real allies in Congress or even in his cabinet- he has resentful underlings/lackeys waiting for revenge. Add to that the very real fearing Congress that Trump might actually lead us into WWIII in North Korea; this would not be a plus even for the Republican agenda.
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I have images of Trump clicking ball barings in his fingers and ranting about strawberries and mathematical logic. The 25th is not nicknamed "THe Capt. Queeg" admendment for nothing.
 
phiwum said:
Now, some of the folks in Pennsylvania might have screwed things up, say. But we all make our choices and they owe us no apology. Maybe they made bad choices, but it happens. It was a choice they were allowed to make and I can forgive them.
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I was with you until the last four words. While they don't care nor need my forgiveness, in person it would be hard for me to say their vote was ok. During the election, to not see that Trump was a disaster waiting to happen was a case of willful ignorance and that's pretty hard to forgive.

Ignorance is ok - I have a cornucopia of it. But to deliberately close one's eyes is a whole different matter.
 
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