Charlottesville Car Crash Video

[Foolmewunz]

I guess I’m not the only person who is wandering what information law enforcement is sitting on. http://www.toledoblade.com/City-Desk/2017/09/21/Agencies-reject-records-requests-in.html

Juvie records are normally sealed. Those same agencies have a history of not providing them for any case.

Knowing your slant on this case, do you think that his juvie records, e.g. the results of the 911 calls that he was brandishing knives or assorted other weapons at his mom, are going to be sealed reports of how he saved an orphan from a fire or helped an old lady across the street?

Where the law doesn't prevent, agencies are giving out the information, e.g. the 911 calls they got their hands on. Where the law prevents, they're not giving it out.

 

[CaptainHowdy]

Juvie records are normally sealed. Those same agencies have a history of not providing them for any case.

Knowing your slant on this case, do you think that his juvie records, e.g. the results of the 911 calls that he was brandishing knives or assorted other weapons at his mom, are going to be sealed reports of how he saved an orphan from a fire or helped an old lady across the street?

Where the law doesn't prevent, agencies are giving out the information, e.g. the 911 calls they got their hands on. Where the law prevents, they're not giving it out.

I'm talking about the records of the incident, e.g., his confession, names of members of his terror cell who ratted him out, the witness statements, his manifesto, etc. Not his juvenile records.

 

[Foolmewunz]

I'm talking about the records of the incident, e.g., his confession, names of members of his terror cell who ratted him out, the witness statements, his manifesto, etc. Not his juvenile records.

Did you even read the article you linked to? If you wanted to speculate (and that's what it is) on whether The Man was holding down the Cauc Brother, why didn't you say so. Instead, you linked to an article that I summarized accurately, on the difficulty in obtaining old records - juvie records - from certain states.

 

[CaptainHowdy]

Did you even read the article you linked to? If you wanted to speculate (and that's what it is) on whether The Man was holding down the Cauc Brother, why didn't you say so. Instead, you linked to an article that I summarized accurately, on the difficulty in obtaining old records - juvie records - from certain states.

Did you even read the article? It's not about the difficulty in getting his juvenile records. Those records are difficult to get in any state. This article is about the difficulty in getting the records related specifically to the crash--the records that would contain information that would support or refute the public's speculation that this was a terror attack or that it was intentional. (because any certainty that Mr. Field's Wild Ride was even intentional is emotionally driven speculation based on some photos and video in the public domain)

I don't know what this Cauc Brother holding Man speculation stuff you're yammering on about means.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Did you even read the article? It's not about the difficulty in getting his juvenile records. Those records are difficult to get in any state. This article is about the difficulty in getting the records related specifically to the crash--the records that would contain information that would support or refute the public's speculation that this was a terror attack or that it was intentional. (because any certainty that Mr. Field's Wild Ride was even intentional is emotionally driven speculation based on some photos and video in the public domain)

I don't know what this Cauc Brother holding Man speculation stuff you're yammering on about means.

Huh? You read it but didn't understand the words? It is not about his current records. They refer to Ohio law (the present case would be prosecuted there) as a reference point, but the article is about getting records, which they cannot get more than a piecemeal selection of, from Kentucky and Virginia. It repeatedly cites people in those locations.

Your question as to what the authorities are hiding does not apply to that article. Period.

 

[Nova Land]

I guess I’m not the only person who is wandering what information law enforcement is sitting on. http://www.toledoblade.com/City-Desk/2017/09/21/Agencies-reject-records-requests-in.html

Juvie records are normally sealed. Those same agencies have a history of not providing them for any case...

I'm talking about the records of the incident, e.g., his confession, names of members of his terror cell who ratted him out, the witness statements, his manifesto, etc. Not his juvenile records.

Did you even read the article you linked to? If you wanted to speculate (and that's what it is) on whether The Man was holding down the Cauc Brother, why didn't you say so. Instead, you linked to an article that I summarized accurately, on the difficulty in obtaining old records - juvie records - from certain states.

Did you even read the article? It's not about the difficulty in getting his juvenile records. Those records are difficult to get in any state. This article is about the difficulty in getting the records related specifically to the crash--the records that would contain information that would support or refute the public's speculation that this was a terror attack or that it was intentional...

This is a good example of why it's bad skeptical practice to post a link the way CaptainHowdy does in the first post I quoted.

If there is something relevant to the discussion which one believes can be found at a link, one should specify clearly (either by quoting or by paraphrasing the relevant portion) what exactly it is at the link which one wants others to read and consider.

People who don't have good evidence to support what they're saying love to simply post blind links (or not to post any links and demand that people who doubt what they're saying Google it for themselves.) That makes it take longer to demonstrate they haven't actually supported their claim, by which time they can have posted other blind links or found other ways to prolong the argument despite the lack of merits to their claims.

Doing things like that makes rational discussion more difficult. It's a bad anti-skeptical practice which we should not legitimize by engaging in ourselves.

Therefore it's important that people who support rational discussions avoid posting links that way. Every time we do it sets a bad example and makes it easier for those opposed to rational discussion to continue doing so.

Next time, CaptainHowdy, I hope you'll take the time to quote (or paraphrase) the specific part of an article you're citing rather than just posting the link. It will take you a few moments longer when posting your comment, but it will help prevent misunderstandings, help make your point clearer more quickly, help make it easier to examine evidence you're presenting, help save us all time in the long run, and help make for better discussions.

 

[Nova Land]

Next time, CaptainHowdy, I hope you'll take the time to quote (or paraphrase) the specific part of an article you're citing rather than just posting the link. It will take you a few moments longer when posting your comment, but it will help prevent misunderstandings, help make your point clearer more quickly, help make it easier to examine evidence you're presenting, help save us all time in the long run, and help make for better discussions.

Or, if the item we're citing doesn't actually say what we think it says (as often happens), taking the time to find the actual sentences we're referring to and quoting or paraphrasing them helps us read the item more carefully and discover it's not as clear as we initially thought.

That's another good reason why it's much better to quote or paraphrase rather than simply post links. It has helped me on numerous occasions, and I suspect I'm not the only person who occasionally doesn't read carefully enough.

A lot of articles these days are deliberately written to appear to be saying one thing when a closer reading shows they are actually saying something a little different. Taking time to identify the exact sentences we think supports what we're saying is helpful because it calls our attention to the exact wording of the sentences we think support what we're saying. That's very often time well spent.

 

[Hlafordlaes]

They're Baa-ack!

‘We will keep coming back:’ Richard Spencer leads another torchlight march in Charlottesville

Such lovely sentiment. Quoth their visionary leader,

“It was a planned flash mob,” Spencer said in an interview Saturday night. “It was a great success. We’ve been planning this for a long time.”

“We wanted to prove that we came in peace in May, we came in peace in August, and we come again in peace,” he said.

Their message, he said, is that, “Our identity matters. We are not going to stand by and allow people to tear down these symbols of our history and our people – and we’re going to do this again.”

Who are you, again?

“We are about our heritage. Not just us Virginians. Not just as Southerners. But as white people . . . we’ll take a stand.

How nice. Back at the scene of the murder committed in your name. And what, exactly, do you want?

“The South will rise again. Russia is our friend. The South will rise again. Woo-hoo! Wooo.”

Enemies, foreign and domestic? Call Abe Lincoln; time to build stockades for openly declared traitors. And uh, "woo," yes, but no need to repeat your confession, boys. Adults can write things down the first time.... Education, I know, like magic powers!

 

[CaptainHowdy]

‘We will keep coming back:’ Richard Spencer leads another torchlight march in Charlottesville

Such lovely sentiment. Quoth their visionary leader,

Who are you, again?



How nice. Back at the scene of the murder committed in your name. And what, exactly, do you want?



Enemies, foreign and domestic? Call Abe Lincoln; time to build stockades for openly declared traitors. And uh, "woo," yes, but no need to repeat your confession, boys. Adults can write things down the first time.... Education, I know, like magic powers!

And the ANTIFA were caught unawares and surprise surprise, there was no violence! Not even a heart attack!

Meanwhile the media blackout on James Fields and the evidence he committed some sort of a crime continues.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

And the ANTIFA were caught unawares and surprise surprise, there was no violence! Not even a heart attack!

Meanwhile the media blackout on James Fields and the evidence he committed some sort of a crime continues.

Have the videos of him committing vehicular assault upon numerous people disappeared?

Then it's not a blackout.

If you're going for an affirmative defense, then you don't question the crime took place, those are mutually exclusive rationalizations.

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[johnny karate]

And the ANTIFA were caught unawares and surprise surprise, there was no violence!

Well, when it's only the Nazis who show up, there's no one for them to murder.

 

[Meadmaker]

And the ANTIFA were caught unawares and surprise surprise, there was no violence! Not even a heart attack!

Meanwhile the media blackout on James Fields and the evidence he committed some sort of a crime continues.

"Media blackout"?

That's just weird. The media is sharing everything they know. They just don't know very much.

 

[Foolmewunz]

And the ANTIFA were caught unawares and surprise surprise, there was no violence! Not even a heart attack!

Meanwhile the media blackout on James Fields and the evidence he committed some sort of a crime continues.

Alt-Left coverage reads:

Little Dick Spencer, a-skeared of getting punched out again uses coded and cryptic messages to plan a secret protest for thirty-six neo-nazis. No microphones, just bullhorns, then they scurry back under the rocks from whence they came.

 

[Mumbles]

And the ANTIFA were caught unawares and surprise surprise, there was no violence! Not even a heart attack!

Yes, as we've seen, The little Neo-Nazi brigade figured out that being openly violent is bad PR, so they were all on their best behavior. No outright Nazi slogans, no trying to attacking synagogues in the middle of the night, no running up and beating unarmed black guys with metal poles, and no running cars into groups of pedestrians like ISIS.

Just tiki torches and dumb slogans. And this is, again, their *best* behavior. Guess they couldn't pull off that picnic to show everyone how nice they could be, like that one guy suggested on Reddit.

Meanwhile the media blackout on James Fields and the evidence he committed some sort of a crime continues.

And why oh why won't they tell us more about those four black kids that livestreamed themselves torturing that one guy in Chicago last New Years? It's a media blackout, I tells ya.

 

[CaptainHowdy]

Huh? You read it but didn't understand the words? It is not about his current records. They refer to Ohio law (the present case would be prosecuted there) as a reference point, but the article is about getting records, which they cannot get more than a piecemeal selection of, from Kentucky and Virginia. It repeatedly cites people in those locations.

Your question as to what the authorities are hiding does not apply to that article. Period.

Are you claiming that a crime committed in Virginia would be prosecuted in Ohio?

 

[CaptainHowdy]

Have the videos of him committing vehicular assault upon numerous people disappeared?

The problem you're having here is that you're assuming facts that aren't in evidence. Law enforcement may evidence that this was intentional but they're not releasing that information to the public. What you're doing is the intellectual equivalent of saying that this video clearly shows attempted murder. Or here we see BLM activists clearly trying to trigger a heart attack in an elderly White man.

Then it's not a blackout.

That a car crashed into a small group of alt-righters leaving an aborted rally surrounded by a larger group of BLM/ANTIFA goons blocking the road isn't what is blacked out. The intent of the driver is the information that is blacked out.

If you're going for an affirmative defense, then you don't question the crime took place, those are mutually exclusive rationalizations.

You don't know that what took place is a crime.

 

[CaptainHowdy]

Yes, as we've seen, The little Neo-Nazi brigade figured out that being openly violent is bad PR, so they were all on their best behavior. No outright Nazi slogans, no trying to attacking synagogues in the middle of the night, no running up and beating unarmed black guys with metal poles, and no running cars into groups of pedestrians like ISIS.

Just tiki torches and dumb slogans. And this is, again, their *best* behavior. Guess they couldn't pull off that picnic to show everyone how nice they could be, like that one guy suggested on Reddit.

You might have a point there had been neo-Nazis being openly violent or shouting Nazi slogans or trying to attack synagogues or beating unarmed black guys or even cars running into pedestrians last time, or ever. Unfortunately for you, you're living in a fantasy world where evil Whites are using their magic powers to keep POC and LGBT and all the other acronyms from achieving what is rightfully theirs.

Tiki torches and dumb slogans are all they had last time around. The lack of BLM/ANTIFA and obese chain smokers this time around is the reason there was no violence or deaths.

And why oh why won't they tell us more about those four black kids that livestreamed themselves torturing that one guy in Chicago last New Years? It's a media blackout, I tells ya.

I'm not sure what incident you're talking about. Black kids getting violent and torturing happens so frequently I don't even notice anymore.

 

[Mumbles]

Why do I even bother with these white supremacists?

You might have a point there had been neo-Nazis being openly violent

Which they were.

or shouting Nazi slogans

Which they did.

or trying to attack synagogues

Which they reportedly did.

or beating unarmed black guys

Which happened to Deandre Harris;

or even cars running into pedestrians last time, or ever.

As known for killing Heyes - but also injured dozens

Unfortunately for you, you're living in a fantasy world where evil Whites are using their magic powers to keep POC and LGBT and all the other acronyms from achieving what is rightfully theirs.

No, it's not "Whites" as some sort of class.

It's you, and people like you.

 

[Stacko]

Which happened to Deandre Harris;

He just can't win for losing.

A black man brutally beaten at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville is now facing a felony charge related to the August attack.

A local magistrate on Monday issued an arrest warrant for DeAndre Harris on an unlawful wounding charge after an accuser, whom police did not identify, claimed to have been injured by the 20-year-old during the brawl, authorities told local media.

S. Lee Merritt, a civil attorney for Harris, told The Washington Post the charge was “clearly retaliatory” and described the accuser as a member of a white supremacist group. He maintained that Harris did not instigate the fight.

“We find it highly offensive and upsetting, but what’s more jarring is that he’s been charged with the same crime as the men who attacked him,” he said.

Merritt added that it was “highly unusual” for the warrant to come from a magistrate rather than police, and suggested that the accuser had previously tried to implicate Harris in the violence without success. He said his client would turn himself into police in the coming days.

In a statement provided to WVIR, the Charlottesville Police Department said the alleged victim went to the magistrate’s office in person to explain what happened. After discussing the accuser’s story with a detective, the magistrate issued the warrant.

 

[Meadmaker]

He just can't win for losing.

It's not very surprising. He was not unarmed, and he threw the first blow of that fight, or at least the first blow that was caught on video.

It was discussed here:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11978827#post11978827