Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories V: Five for Fighting

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MicahJava said:
I've said this before: If you're smart enough to distort quotes like that, you're smart enough to know what Dr. Burkley was really always saying in plain English: 1. He suspected or believed that there was more than one gunshot to Kennedy's head. 2. He noted that the brain was not properly sectioned. 3. He said that if the brain had been properly sectioned, the mystery of one or more gunshots to the head could be resolved.
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Can you actually quote where Burkley said anything about two shots to the head?

You yourself posted those quotes I utilized. Those quotes don't come close to establishing your claim that "Dr. Burkley, Kennedy's personal physician who witnessed the autopsy, said several times that he either suspected or believed that more than one bullet entered the head."

Three separate times, in the quotes you kindly provided, and contrary to your claim above, Burkley referenced one bullet to the head, or specifically excluded more than one bullet to the head.

Can you count to three?

ONE (1): Burkley said: "...but as far as the cause of death the immediate cause was unquestionably the bullet which shattered the brain and the calvarium [skull]." [not 'the bullets'].

TWO (2): Burkley said: "DR. BURKLEY thinks there was one but concedes of the possibility of there having been two." [Burkley's opinion was one shot struck the head].

THREE (3): Burkley said: "Had the Warren Commission deemed to call me, I would have stated why I retained the brain and the possibility of two bullets having wounded President John F. Kennedy's brain would have been eliminated." [If Burkley had testified, he could have eliminated two shots to the head].

So stop the nonsense about Burkley thinking otherwise.


MicahJava said:
If you want to suggest a way that a bullet could've entered near the EOP and exited the top-right side of the head, be my guest.
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I don't need to suggest that. That's precisely what the autopsy doctors concluded when they had the dead body of President Kennedy in front of them. You want to argue with the autopsy doctors, go right ahead. I know I'm just a layman, with no medical degree, and I'm not about to argue with their conclusions because I'm out of my depth. You apparently have no such compunction.


MicahJava said:
If you insist that the official fragments had to be a match to the rifle in evidence, then that does not discount a conspiracy.
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It was not I who insisted on that. It was the qualified ballistics experts who so testified. I merely quoted their conclusion back to you. A conclusion you were totally unaware of until I cited it.


MicahJava said:
If it was not planted
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Hilarious. We'll await your evidence of any such thing. You have no evidence of any such thing.


MicahJava said:
one could say the fragments are legit and still successfully argue conspiracy.
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Well, you say a lot of stuff that makes no sense. I don't suppose one more would faze you any.


MicahJava said:
The fact that particles of human skin was identified on one of the fragments is alone evidence that this projectile could have struck the top of the head tangentially.
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Let's start at the top... Could you PLEASE cite for this conclusion that particles of skin from JFK was identified on one of the two fragments under discussion? Once you cite for this new info, we can discuss whether it's actually a fact or not, and how you get from that 'fact' to the conclusion it argues for a tangential wound to the head. Go ahead. Tell us about this skin remnant from JFK found on one of the fragments ballistically traceable to Oswald's weapon. Cite who determined that.


MicahJava said:
At that time, it was not widely known how the Warren Commission-endorsed EOP wound causes some huge problems for the official story.
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There is no "Warren Commission-endorsed EOP wound". You keep mislocating the wound. It was above the EOP, according to the autopsy report.


MicahJava said:
Doesn't it bother you that by your agenda, the autopsy doctors were pushing evidence for conspiracy?
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I have no agenda other than reporting accurately on the evidence in this case. And the autopsy doctors weren't pushing evidence for conspiracy except in your mind.


MicahJava said:
This is regardless of whether or not they claimed to believe the head wounds were caused by a single shot from behind.
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Why phrase it that way? The autopsy doctors, to a man, determined both the head wounds were caused by a bullet from behind. That's what they wrote in the original autopsy report, and that's what they maintained every time they testified. Why pretend there is any doubt about that?


MicahJava said:
The fact that their public position was a single shot from behind can not be used as evidence that the entry wound was really higher than they always insisted.
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They put it above the EOP. You keep putting it at the EOP. You're the one pretending the wound was lower than they always insisted.

Hank
 
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MicahJava said:
Kennedy would not have instantly died or rendered unconscious if a shot entered near the EOP and traveled under the cerebellum. He would have lost motor function, though. Which is consistent with his body language at z190-224+
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I don't know what you put in your coffee at the doctor's lounge, but the SPINAL CORD is under the cerebellum. Last time I checked a bullet strike there would cause instant paralysis. Plus, the bare neck is visible in the Zapruder Film and take a wild guess what's missing - blood streaming down.

His body language is consistent with a man wearing a back brace taking a bullet in the upper back, which would have felt like a flaming sledge hammer.
 
MicahJava said:
You do not accept the EOP entry wound location, so your comment is meaningless unless you do.
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I really don't care where the bullet entered the head. I know where it was fired from. All of the evidence backs me up (something I refused to accept when I was a CT loon).


The official X-rays, at least according to the best information we have, do not show any metal fragments in the occipital area like we would expect from a shot entering the EOP and exiting the top of the head.
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Official x-rays of which you have only see two.

You remain clueless to the capabilities of the 6.5x52mm round, and you have yet to rule it out...which you won't because you can't.
 
MicahJava said:
You do not accept the EOP entry wound location, so your comment is meaningless unless you do. The official X-rays, at least according to the best information we have, do not show any metal fragments in the occipital area like we would expect from a shot entering the EOP and exiting the top of the head.
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Where did the bullet come from? LOL.
 
Axxman300 said:
I really don't care where the bullet entered the head. I know where it was fired from. All of the evidence backs me up (something I refused to accept when I was a CT loon).




Official x-rays of which you have only see two.

You remain clueless to the capabilities of the 6.5x52mm round, and you have yet to rule it out...which you won't because you can't.
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Precisely my thoughts on the subject and what I have asked MJ to provide information backing up his "second" GSW to the head.

Hank you answered MJ's comments to my post more eloquently than I and I congratulate your counter points.:thumbsup:
 
Apparently Axxman300 doesn't know that the HSCA report published a few X-rays showing JFK's teeth and jaw area.
 
MicahJava said:
Apparently Axxman300 doesn't know that the HSCA report published a few X-rays showing JFK's teeth and jaw area.
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Do share. If you are not going to provide references, why should anyone bother wasting their time trying to find something which may or may not match whatever it is you are referring to?

I suspect you simply want to waste everyone's time searching for something so vague that you can immediately deny that it is the correct X-ray with a glib "Search again, search better" comment.
 
bknight said:
MJ, I'm beginning to think you are nothing but a troll.
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A troll under the bridge asks three questions before you must pass. If you want to pass the bridge into lonenutterdom, you must answer the questions about the EOP location of the entry wound as described by the autopsy report and everybody who was present at the autopsy. Hint: you can't.
 
MicahJava said:
A troll under the bridge asks three questions before you must pass. If you want to pass the bridge into lonenutterdom, you must answer the questions about the EOP location of the entry wound as described by the autopsy report and everybody who was present at the autopsy. Hint: you can't.
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That's usually the case with questions predicated on a false premise.

Dave
 
MicahJava said:
A troll under the bridge asks three questions before you must pass. If you want to pass the bridge into lonenutterdom, you must answer the questions about the EOP location of the entry wound as described by the autopsy report and everybody who was present at the autopsy. Hint: you can't.
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We did and that is 1 question.

Actually. not even a question at all.
 
Dave Rogers said:
That's usually the case with questions predicated on a false premise.

Dave
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MicahJava said:
A troll under the bridge asks three questions before you must pass. If you want to pass the bridge into lonenutterdom, you must answer the questions about the EOP location of the entry wound as described by the autopsy report and everybody who was present at the autopsy. Hint: you can't.
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I don't recall that there ever was a citation where any of the doctors participating in the autopsy indicated that they disagreed with the autopsy.
And now cite such thoughts. Hint: you can't.
 
MicahJava said:
A troll under the bridge asks three questions before you must pass. If you want to pass the bridge into lonenutterdom, you must answer the questions about the EOP location of the entry wound as described by the autopsy report and everybody who was present at the autopsy. Hint: you can't.
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We have. You choose to ignore fact and embrace delusion.
 
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