Trump and NFL boycott

PhantomWolf said:
I don't get this whole kneeling being disrespectful anyways. Where I come from Kneeling is the most respectful and humble thing you can do. For those that are believers, we are called to kneel before God. We kneel before our Queen and her representatives. We kneel before our War Memorials and beside graves when we honour the dead. In kneeling, we place ourselves lower than who or what we are kneeling before, elevating them to a higher position.

How anyone can think that kneeling is disrespectful is beyond me.
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None of that makes any difference when belief manipulators create a narrative that it is unpatriotic, an offense against the military and the flag. They create the narrative, inject it into the right wing social media echo chamber, and voila.

And despite the revelations the Russians did exactly that to manipulate beliefs and votes giving us the most incompetent POTUS, too few realize they are still being manipulated.
 
Wasn't someone looking for a definition of"Virtue Signaling"?
That was what Pence was doing.

Pretty expensively.
 
thaiboxerken said:
People complaining are simple idiots that don't understand the difference between patriotism and nationalism. They see the flag as a symbol of who they are, that they are the "true" Americans and anyone that doesn't worship the flag the way they do are not real Americans.
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Yup. Some white fans just want black players to shut up and entertain them.

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PhantomWolf said:
I don't get this whole kneeling being disrespectful anyways. Where I come from Kneeling is the most respectful and humble thing you can do. For those that are believers, we are called to kneel before God. We kneel before our Queen and her representatives. We kneel before our War Memorials and beside graves when we honour the dead. In kneeling, we place ourselves lower than who or what we are kneeling before, elevating them to a higher position.

How anyone can think that kneeling is disrespectful is beyond me.
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"Taking a knee" during athletic activity connotes taking a break, or briefly removing yourself from the action. It has nothing to do with showing respect. Rather, it's pretty clear signal that you're not participating in the activity. Same thing in military contexts, actually. Nut you know all this, of course. Nice DOK.
 
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PhantomWolf said:
I don't get this whole kneeling being disrespectful anyways. Where I come from Kneeling is the most respectful and humble thing you can do. For those that are believers, we are called to kneel before God. We kneel before our Queen and her representatives. We kneel before our War Memorials and beside graves when we honour the dead. In kneeling, we place ourselves lower than who or what we are kneeling before, elevating them to a higher position.

How anyone can think that kneeling is disrespectful is beyond me.
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There is a code for how one is supposed to respect the flag and in that code, it is stipulated that one stands, hand over heart (or something like that).

Sure, it's arbitrary, and I agree that kneeling is pretty darned respectful as protests go, but kneeling is not how one is supposed to honor the flag. That's all.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Wasn't someone looking for a definition of"Virtue Signaling"?
That was what Pence was doing.

Pretty expensively.
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I started a discussion on virtue signaling and I get your point, but I think Pence was counterprotesting. Not thrilled to see him do it on the taxpayers' dime, but I'm willing to think that protesting is not virtue signaling (partly because I'm still unconvinced that virtue signaling is a useful allegation).
 
Pence announced his departure via his Twitter account, writing: “I left today’s Colts game because @POTUS [President Trump] and I will not dignify any event that disrespects our soldiers, our Flag, or our National Anthem.”
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Sure you will. You remember the proposed ban on transgender service personnel? Sounds like disrespect to me.
 
Stacko said:
Yup. Some white fans just want black players to shut up and entertain them.

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Can't find @ocsteve19 anymore. Deleted? Deleted.
 
theprestige said:
"Taking a knee" during athletic activity connotes taking a break, or briefly removing yourself from the action. It has nothing to do with showing respect. Rather, it's pretty clear signal that you're not participating in the activity. Same thing in military contexts, actually. Nut you know all this, of course. Nice DOK.
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No, I don't know this. I think that taking a knee in this context is kneeling, a very respectful form of protest. Much better than sitting, as Kaepernick first did prior to a teammate's respectful request that he kneel instead. (The teammate was a veteran, for what that's worth.)
 
phiwum said:
There is a code for how one is supposed to respect the flag and in that code, it is stipulated that one stands, hand over heart (or something like that).

Sure, it's arbitrary, and I agree that kneeling is pretty darned respectful as protests go, but kneeling is not how one is supposed to honor the flag. That's all.
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The flag code covers numerous things that are routinely ignored without consequence.

 
Stacko said:
The flag code covers numerous things that are routinely ignored without consequence.

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Yes, I agree.

Do note that I'm not personally offended by the kneelers. Just explaining why kneeling is regarded as disrespectful. For whatever reason, other abuses of the flag code are accepted, heck, even viewed as displays of one's patriotism. Conventions, even those enshrined in law, do change over time.
 
Stacko said:
The flag code covers numerous things that are routinely ignored without consequence.

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Notice how all those are suggestions.
 
The Greater Fool said:
Notice how all those are suggestions.
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Why? Because of the word "should"?

There are hard and soft uses of "should", that is, the should of obligation and the should of suggestion. I do believe that when it's part of the U.S. code, context requires we read it as the obligatory should.
 
Kneeling during the anthem is disrespectful to the flag. However, using the flag as a symbolic weapon against protesters is just fine.........
 
phiwum said:
Why? Because of the word "should"?

There are hard and soft uses of "should", that is, the should of obligation and the should of suggestion. I do believe that when it's part of the U.S. code, context requires we read it as the obligatory should.
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If these are not laws, then they are just suggestions.
 
thaiboxerken said:
If these are not laws, then they are just suggestions.
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Er, I believe the U.S. code is properly described as our national laws, but it's possible I'm mightily confused here. I don't think I am, but it could be.

As I've heard it described, the flag code prescribes no punishments. If so, it's a weak sort of law, but the law of the land nonetheless. This is how one is required to respect the flag. That's what the code prescribes.
 
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