Gratitude, Compulsion, Idiocy or Nobility?

[Mojo]

Does this mean that all carnivores are unnatural?

No, not all but some can be.

OK, which are natural, and which are unnatural?

And how about omnivores?

 

[bruto]

How about cows? Are they natural? Where on earth are the wild cows?

 

[dann]

Which type of relationship we have with these animals? Symbiotic? If yes, which type out of below?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_symbiotic_relationships

Are you talking individual or Darwinian (reproductive)?
Killing and eating an animal isn't very beneficial to it (unless you're talking about Douglas Adams' fictitious cow), but if it's tasty and nourishing, it might make you want to help its relatives reproduce. Are you a fan of Dawkins and The Selfish Gene?

On the other hand, even some parasites seem to have certain beneficial effects on their host's immune system.

 

[Kumar]

How about cows? Are they natural? Where on earth are the wild cows?

It is a point. Later. Many beings, artificially, inorganically, unnaturally or genetically modified need attention for the purpose of this topic.

 

[Mojo]

It is a point. Later. Many beings, artificially, inorganically, unnaturally or genetically modified need attention for the purpose of this topic.

The cows that are involved in agriculture have all been artificially, unnaturally or genetically modified. As are all other domesticated animals.

 

[Mojo]

Anyway, Kumar, which carnivores do you regard as natural, and which are unnatural?

 

[Kumar]

Are you talking individual or Darwinian (reproductive)?
Killing and eating an animal isn't very beneficial to it (unless you're talking about Douglas Adams' fictitious cow), but if it's tasty and nourishing, it might make you want to help its relatives reproduce. Are you a fan of Dawkins and The Selfish Gene?

On the other hand, even some parasites seem to have certain beneficial effects on their host's immune system.

I tend to opt equanimity. It can lead to selflessness.
I think, you are talking about selfishness.

 

[Kumar]

Are you talking individual or Darwinian (reproductive)?
Killing and eating an animal isn't very beneficial to it (unless you're talking about Douglas Adams' fictitious cow), but if it's tasty and nourishing, it might make you want to help its relatives reproduce. Are you a fan of Dawkins and The Selfish Gene?

On the other hand, even some parasites seem to have certain beneficial effects on their host's immune system.

Then they will be classified under other term of symbiosis.

 

[JayUtah]

I tend to look both sides.

Clearly not. You're just buying into a lot of hypocritical nonsense and considering it to be a priori equivalent in merit to the reality of the food chain and the longstanding domestication of animals for any number of purposes. The overreactive pseudo-moralistic handwringing that seems to have informed your diatribe does not simply make history go away.

So nothing is one sidedness from my POV.

Your view is entirely one-sided. You've subscribed to a moral view that has no basis in fact and whose end result would be biological absurdity.

Agricultural can also be f two types...

We've already established that you are not an authority on agriculture.

 

[Kumar]

Clearly not. You're just buying into a lot of hypocritical nonsense and considering it to be a priori equivalent in merit to the reality of the food chain and the longstanding domestication of animals for any number of purposes. The overreactive pseudo-moralistic handwringing that seems to have informed your diatribe does not simply make history go away.



Your view is entirely one-sided. You've subscribed to a moral view that has no basis in fact and whose end result would be biological absurdity.



We've already established that you are not an authority on agriculture.

Btw, are you suggesting, if law permit, if humans are nourishing, tasty and serve as food, should/can they be also treated similarily?

 

[Dave Rogers]

Btw, are you suggesting, if law permit, if humans are nourishing, tasty and serve as food, should/can they be also treated similarily?

Oh, nice one. Strawman argument and poisoning the well all in one go. There should be some kind of dishonest arguing award for work of this calibre.

Dave

 

[JayUtah]

Btw, are you suggesting, if law permit, if humans are nourishing, tasty and serve as food, should/can they be also treated similarily?

No, so leave aside the straw man and address what I actually said.

 

[sackett]

I capitalize Danish

Btw, are you suggesting, if law permit, if humans are nourishing, tasty and serve as food, should/can they be also treated similarily?

Oh Kumar Babu, this is very dynamical topic! Big land countrys like India bit especially can look into! Pakistan is hungry, India toomuch full. Can be/do solution lies in surplus Hindu? Vegetable raised diets, tasty oh my goodness damn yes. (Cut off tobacco & betel for some months prior of processing will make flavour.)

Dung-smeared idolators finally good for something, isn't it?

 

[bruto]

Generalized advice for those wishing to extemporize on the dichotomy of natural and unnatural.....

 

[Kumar]

Oh Kumar Babu, this is very dynamical topic! Big land countrys like India bit especially can look into! Pakistan is hungry, India toomuch full. Can be/do solution lies in surplus Hindu? Vegetable raised diets, tasty oh my goodness damn yes. (Cut off tobacco & betel for some months prior of processing will make flavour.)

Dung-smeared idolators finally good for something, isn't it?

Sorry, beyond my understanding.

 

[bruto]

Sorry, beyond my understanding.

This is, not surprisingly, not a surprise.

I modestly suggest you look up the meaning of the word "irony" in your Funk and Wagnall's or wherever. And then, perhaps, for an example of the genre, I greatly suggest that you look up Jonathan Swift's famous essay "A Modest Proposal." However, do not do the latter until you have looked up and fully grasped the meaning of the former, as it would be most unfortunate if you took the latter as a book of recipes.

 

[dann]

I capitalize Danish

I appreciate that!

 

[fuelair]

What sort of shops do you frequent?

Well led!!!!!!!!

 

[Kumar]

This is, not surprisingly, not a surprise.

I do not want complexing which can become lie. Truth is simple and simple truth seems that we are just one/our sided and they are not.

 

[fromdownunder]

I often wonder if the raw, live oysters I eat occasionally are aware of their fate and either approve or disapprove of being stabbed, dipped in a sauce, and swallowed whole. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

A few years ago there were Restaurants in Melbourne where there were crayfish swimming around in tanks, and you could specifically pick out the one you wanted for lunch. Did they happily reside in the tank, and know that when Billy Bob was removed, that the cooked version of Billy Bob would be residing in my stomach 30 minutes later?

Somehow I don't think so.

Norm