Cont: All things Trump + Russia Part 2

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Poor Bryan MacDonald had to watch an - anti-Russian propaganda "think" tank - Atlantic Council livestream for RT and wrote an amusing review.

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1.03PM: Elder brings up the German elections and, amazingly, we have now passed the big '5-0' because 56 people are watching! She asks Pomerantsev what the Russians were doing during the campaign. He observes how “every election is a Russian election nowadays" and claims the AfD and the Kremlin are natural allies, "feeding together," further observing that 20 percent of Germans are living in an alternate reality with no relation to the center anymore. German voters will surely be amused to learn about this Brit who thinks anybody who doesn't support the status quo in their country lives in “an alternative reality.” But Pomerantsev doesn’t seem self-aware enough to realize his own myopia.

1,09AM: Ilves says Thuringia was known as the “valley of the clueless” during the Cold War because it didn’t get West German TV. He then insists the region mostly votes for Die Linke and AfD, missing how Angela Merkel's CDU won the most votes there during the last state election, only three years ago. Ilves also fails to take into account that Thuringia is one of Germany's poorest länder (states.) But, anyway, it wasn’t Thuringia which was referred to as the “valley of clueless” in the first place - it was actually Dresden, which everyone called "Tal der Ahnungslosen." In reality, Thuringia bordered the West and had no signal problems. Once again, nobody pulls Ilves up on this. Instead, they all just laugh, adrift in their own cluelessness. And this is the level of dialogue here. Meanwhile, I am almost falling asleep.
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Senate Intel leaders are expected to largely endorse the report on Russian meddling today, sound the alarm.

The planned news conference from Sens. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) and Mark R. Warner (D-Va.) has been billed as a forum for the two panel leaders to give the public an interim status update on the committee’s long-running investigation of allegations Russia attempted to meddle in the 2016 U.S. elections, and members of the Trump campaign may have colluded with Kremlin officials to improve their chance of victory. It is one of only a handful of public events the Senate Intelligence Committee has held in the nine months since commencing its probe.

In the course of that investigation, committee members and staff investigators have interviewed several members of the intelligence community and Trump’s inner circle, mostly behind closed doors — including former campaign chief Paul Manafort and current senior adviser Jared Kushner, who is also President Trump’s son-in-law. They have also spoken with senior executives of social media companies like Facebook and Twitter, which carried many of the Russian-backed ads and falsified accounts that tried to exploit popular divisions in the run-up to the election. The committee is expected to continue those conversations in a public hearing with the tech giants early next month; Burr and Warner may share additional information about the social media-focused part of their probe on Wednesday.

The Senate Intelligence Committee is one of three congressional panels looking into aspects of alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 elections, and one of two committees directly reviewing the intelligence community’s report on Russian active measures. Despite considerable political controversy surrounding those probes, most members of Trump’s national security team have endorsed the intelligence community’s findings. The president himself has yet to say he believes them.
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Appears to be a final status -- if I understood them, they're more or less shutting down. Burr has said about four times that they've interviewed "every official of the Obama administration". That's a lot of interviews.
 
Trebuchet said:
Appears to be a final status -- if I understood them, they're more or less shutting down. Burr has said about four times that they've interviewed "every official of the Obama administration". That's a lot of interviews.
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Doesn't sound like they're anywhere close to shutting down:
Mr. Burr had expressed a desire this summer to conclude the probe by the year’s end. But on Wednesday, he all but conceded that with so many avenues of investigation still open that would not be possible.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/04/...lligence-committee-russia-election-trump.html
 
WilliamSeger said:
Now that they're past acknowledging the obvious, they can begin investigating collusion.
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Investigating is good. But I hope they don't find conclusive proof, because then Republicans would have an excuse to get rid of Trump.

We don't want that. We want the investigation to drag out at least until the next presidential election. And we want Trump to still be the incumbent, so that the FBI can announce the discovery of new evidence (that turns out to be nothing) just before the election.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
Investigating is good. But I hope they don't find conclusive proof, because then Republicans would have an excuse to get rid of Trump.

We don't want that. We want the investigation to drag out at least until the next presidential election. And we want Trump to still be the incumbent, so that the FBI can announce the discovery of new evidence (that turns out to be nothing) just before the election.
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While I appreciate the irony and attempt at setting up future shadenfreude, I want Trump gone now. Preferrably yesterday. He's a danger to humanity.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
Investigating is good. But I hope they don't find conclusive proof, because then Republicans would have an excuse to get rid of Trump.

We don't want that. We want the investigation to drag out at least until the next presidential election. And we want Trump to still be the incumbent, so that the FBI can announce the discovery of new evidence (that turns out to be nothing) just before the election.
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Yes, because as we all know, having bad things Trump has done come to light will probably make people less likely to vote for him.

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Bob001 said:
Preachy or otherwise, the key question is "Is it true?" And all the evidence indicates that it is.
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Ok.
Granted.
But what is true?

And the facebook ad story has got to be the most ridiculous one yet!

At first sight: 100.000$ in facebook ads can buy you 3 states? I thought that would be a little more expensive. But alas, hillary didn't have that kind of funds to throw around.

But if you look a little closer it gets even more ridiculous:
According to facebook (https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2017/10/hard-questions-russian-ads-delivered-to-congress/) it's even cheaper! 56% of the impressions were after the election! 44.000$ for 3 states!

Also: best way to get people to vote against hillary: show them pictures of puppies!
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/technology/facebook-russia-ads-.html?_r=0

And of course there is the whole aspect of evil russians attacking the integrity of the US vote by providing US voters with information! How dare they!
 
magellan said:
And of course there is the whole aspect of evil russians attacking the integrity of the US vote by providing US voters with information! How dare they!
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How naive. Fake news and social engineering is not 'information'.

But don't let that stop you from trying to minimize it. As someone who hates America, I think Russia is doing a great job.
 
magellan said:
Ok.
Granted.
But what is true?

And the facebook ad story has got to be the most ridiculous one yet!

At first sight: 100.000$ in facebook ads can buy you 3 states? I thought that would be a little more expensive. But alas, hillary didn't have that kind of funds to throw around.

But if you look a little closer it gets even more ridiculous:
According to facebook (https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2017/10/hard-questions-russian-ads-delivered-to-congress/) it's even cheaper! 56% of the impressions were after the election! 44.000$ for 3 states!
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I don't think you are making your case here.

magellan said:
Also: best way to get people to vote against hillary: show them pictures of puppies!
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/technology/facebook-russia-ads-.html?_r=0
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There's nothing in that link supporting this.

magellan said:
And of course there is the whole aspect of evil russians attacking the integrity of the US vote by providing US voters with information! How dare they!
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:confused:

So in your mind fake news is "information"?
 
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