457 days until 2,300 days - Daniel 8:14

Bob: "You are filth that will be cleansed from the planet!"
Ted: "That seems rather unreasonable."
Tim: "Jeez Ted why can't we have a civil discussion?"
 
arthwollipot said:
And we wonder why religious people won't engage with atheists.

Is there no room for polite, respectful discussion any more?
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I do sometimes feel that way, but must note that in this case we're dealing not with a thoughtful religious person, but with ideas that are not only poorly expressed, disorganized, and nonsensical, but with a prophecy whose outcome was called "the Great Disappointment" as long ago as 1844. At some point, being polite and respectful is not ultimately responsible nor is it respectful to those who approach such issues with a modicum of intelligence. I do not believe that respect demands we grant equal time to every nutty idea that comes down the pike.
 
I've said my piece. The posters in this thread are now free to ignore me as usual and continue insulting and disparaging religion and religious people like they always do, the religious people will eventually go away, and the atheists can pat themselves on the back because they've chased away another potential conversation. Victory!
 
Yes you thread nannyed a bunch of people who were called "filth" that they were not being nice enough. Good job.
 
arthwollipot said:
I've said my piece. The posters in this thread are now free to ignore me as usual and continue insulting and disparaging religion and religious people like they always do, the religious people will eventually go away, and the atheists can pat themselves on the back because they've chased away another potential conversation. Victory!
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You're welcome to engage him in a nice friendly conversation about how he plans to eliminate filth like us.
 
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arthwollipot said:
I've said my piece. The posters in this thread are now free to ignore me as usual and continue insulting and disparaging religion and religious people like they always do, the religious people will eventually go away, and the atheists can pat themselves on the back because they've chased away another potential conversation. Victory!
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Say as you will. I do not think that the basic idea is without merit, but I believe it is misplaced here. I have great respect for many people with whose religion I do not agree, and I also believe that people who dismiss all religious ideas with rants about sky daddies and fairy tales are behaving badly. But this is not that. The notion that every crazy idea deserves respect leaves fools in charge of the discourse.
 
bruto said:
Say as you will. I do not think that the basic idea is without merit, but I believe it is misplaced here. I have great respect for many people with whose religion I do not agree, and I also believe that people who dismiss all religious ideas with rants about sky daddies and fairy tales are behaving badly. But this is not that. The notion that every crazy idea deserves respect leaves fools in charge of the discourse.
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Well said, and I agree.

There's evidence for the bolded:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/how-america-lost-its-mind/534231/
 
Elwin Garland said:
This post was originally in the free-will thread, but as it was titled with a doomsday prophecy, I have copied it to start a new thread where the prophecy will be more on-topic.
Posted By: Agatha


The absolute definition of free will belongs to our Creator alone, but through Christ Jesus we are blessed with our Creator's longing to share that absolute with us.

The best way to conceptualize human free will is to look at some one who is alive and some one who is dead.

This basic concept is presented in the Creation story of man in the Holy Bible.

Although mans shape and form are complete, he doesn't become a living soul until our Creator breathes into his nostrils the breath of life; in essence his free will before being alive is hypothetical, dormant, only potential.

That is why death is but a sleep to the Lord, the real sanctity in free will is our interaction with Him.
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I'm sure you will be right when so many before you were wrong. Because......why not?


I'm rooting for you!:thumbsup:
 
psionl0 said:
I'm not caught up yet. When did the 2300 days begin and what event precipitated them?
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Funny thing is I'd like to see this guy debate other Christians about this. Some Christians think that this is a prophecy that was fulfilled even before Jesus war born and cite it as reason to trust other prophecies that aren't yet fulfilled ITO.
 
arthwollipot said:
And we wonder why religious people won't engage with atheists.

Is there no room for polite, respectful discussion any more?
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When religious people debate facts, they get decent respectful answers. When they seagull declarations of our well-deserved doom on us, and describe us as filth, then.........


........sorry, what were you saying again?
 
arthwollipot said:
And we wonder why religious people won't engage with atheists.

Is there no room for polite, respectful discussion any more?
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Do you really think civil or reasonable discussion can be had with someone whose opening gambit is to want you dead and rejoices in that prospect?
 
JoeBentley said:
Here's one thing I've learned. If you are going to guess a definitive, exact day for the end of the world, choose one that is going to occur after your dead.

Because if the date passes and you are still alive, we can point and laugh.
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I can only assume that they want it to happen in their lifetime so that they can point and laugh at all the unbelievers. Why they don't feel confident enough to be able to do that while in the after life I don't know. Must be something about face-to-face interaction or something.
 
psionl0 said:
I'm not caught up yet. When did the 2300 days begin and what event precipitated them?
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On 25th Sept it was 460 days till the 2300 days are up. I believe that means the clock started ticking on 11th Sept 2012, which was the date of the attack on the US diplomatic compound in Benghazi.

The 2300 days countdown refers to Daniel chapter 8 which is a prophecy about a naughty goat, which we are told represents the king of Greece, who is due to get his comeuppance after this amount of time.

This gives us a year and a bit to work out who is the current best claimant for the Greek crown and warn them. Except that the prophecy doesn't really say what happens to the Greek king at the end. It seems to describe the time taken for some act of desecration to be cleansed by regular sacrifices.

Actually, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_8 is quite interesting in describing what the prophecy was really talking about. The 2300 'evenings and mornings' is seemingly interpreted by most scholars as 2300 twice-daily sacrifices, so actually only 1150 days. In which case, whatever it was, we missed it.

PS 1150 days takes us to 5th Nov 2015 which was the date of this disaster: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bento_Rodrigues_dam_disaster which suggests the true heir to the Greek throne was living in rural Brazil.
 
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