Brexit: Now What? Part III

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I edited the post to say that even while we're in the EU there's already a hard border between Gibraltar and Spain.
 
Craig B said:
How much effort would it take for Scotland, having left the UK, to BE an EU country? A soft or non existent border between (inside EU) Scotland and (outside EU) England could then be applied, as seemingly this can be done in Ireland, and one of the scary objections to independence - border controls at Gretna - would be dispelled.
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I think you have let your passion get in the way of your sense of humour....
 
Hardly anybody at that Labour Party conference has ever had to venture in business, or had a risk they had to take. They don't sufficiently appreciate the practical difficulties. It's just empty promises, and an incomes freeze for people working for the government. There needs to be due and careful thought about this Brexit business, and some good administrators who are not just protecting the interests of the extremely rich.
 
Darat said:
I think you have let your passion get in the way of your sense of humour....
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I don't see much "passion" in my post, unless you mean the reference to Gretna, and on this topic it's not always easy to see what is humour and what isn't, unfortunately.
 
Drumpf gives a taste of what a post-Brexit UK is awaiting. The US Dept. of Commerce slapped a 220% import tariff on Bombardier planes, because Boeing alleges that the UK and Canada gives them unfair state subsidies. The Canadian manufacturer has a plant with 4,000 employees in Belfast.

Good luck battling that out on your own, I'd say. You're so much better alone than the EU in fostering trade, I've heard. May, thus far, has been silent on the issue.

(source: Independent).
 
ddt said:
Drumpf gives a taste of what a post-Brexit UK is awaiting. The US Dept. of Commerce slapped a 220% import tariff on Bombardier planes, because Boeing alleges that the UK and Canada gives them unfair state subsidies. The Canadian manufacturer has a plant with 4,000 employees in Belfast.

Good luck battling that out on your own, I'd say. You're so much better alone than the EU in fostering trade, I've heard. May, thus far, has been silent on the issue.

(source: Independent).
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Fake news!

May has said that she's "bitterly disappointed"

Do you want more than that?
 
What do you mean? The UK is still in the EU right now, so it shows the EU was unable to stop the imposition of the tariff.

Maybe the tariff is justified for all I know, but whether it is or it isn't, I don't see what this has got to do with Brexit.
 
jimbob said:
Fake news!

May has said that she's "bitterly disappointed"

Do you want more than that?
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Sorry for not keeping up with the latest developments. And you're absolutely right, Trump is now utterly frightened and begging for forgiveness now that May is "bitterly disappointed". :rolleyes:

ceptimus said:
What do you mean? The UK is still in the EU right now, so it shows the EU was unable to stop the imposition of the tariff.
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This kind of spats between the USA and the EU have been recurring events for years and years.

ceptimus said:
Maybe the tariff is justified for all I know, but whether it is or it isn't, I don't see what this has got to do with Brexit.
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Within the EU, the UK would have the back of the EU to complain about them and make the USA see the error of their ways. Worst case, retaliate with similar draconian tariffs for US goods. Outside the EU, you're on your own.

Or do you mean that the relevance of this story is more in "how long is May going to last"? The DUP is not going to take this lightly, I guess.
 
ddt said:
Within the EU, the UK would have the back of the EU to complain about them and make the USA see the error of their ways. Worst case, retaliate with similar draconian tariffs for US goods. Outside the EU, you're on your own.
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That seems to be the case - from the BBC live news feed....

Brexiters 'naive over US trade'

The EU and US have been arguing over Airbus for decades, but the reason the US has never resorted to "heavy-handed tactics" against the EU is it has far too much to lose, Centre for European Reform chief economist Simon Tilford writes in the Guardian.

However, the Bombardier ruling, which threatens more than 4,000 UK jobs, "gives us a real taste of how the UK will be treated in negotiations over a US-UK trade deal post-Brexit, and how vulnerable the country will be," Mr Tilford says.

"The UK government, particularly its trade minister Liam Fox, places great faith in a trade agreement with the US, arguing that Britain will get a good deal because of the dense commercial links between the two countries. But trade deals are all about leverage, and leverage is determined by the size of the market," he adds.
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But we're in the EU at the moment! What, if anything, is the EU going to do about the tariff? If they do nothing, then it shows that, for issues like this, Brexit will make no difference.

It's drivel to suggest that the the tariff is somehow because of Brexit when Brexit hasn't happened yet! If anything this shows how poorly the EU acts to prevent impositions on free trade.
 
ceptimus said:
But we're in the EU at the moment! What, if anything, is the EU going to do about the tariff? If they do nothing, then it shows that, for issues like this, Brexit will make no difference.

It's drivel to suggest that the the tariff is somehow because of Brexit when Brexit hasn't happened yet! If anything this shows how poorly the EU acts to prevent impositions on free trade.
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No, you're not. 27 nations regard the UK as a pariah and have no reason to give a flying ****. You are out, and just now starting to see the consequences.

Don't like them? Tough, you wanted it and it isn't going to improve.
 
ceptimus said:
But we're in the EU at the moment! What, if anything, is the EU going to do about the tariff? If they do nothing, then it shows that, for issues like this, Brexit will make no difference.
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It depends. Will the EU really work hard and go to the mat for a member who is leaving soon ? Probably not.

Airbus is a good indication of what the EU is prepared to do for members in good standing. Despite repeated sabre-rattling from the US, Airbus is still doing good business over there...
 
If we're no longer members in good standing, do you agree that we should cease paying full contributions?
 
ceptimus said:
But we're in the EU at the moment! What, if anything, is the EU going to do about the tariff? If they do nothing, then it shows that, for issues like this, Brexit will make no difference.
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The UK has handed in its Art 50 letter, IOW, it's already filed for divorce. Do you really think the EU is willing to do something about it?

ceptimus said:
It's drivel to suggest that the the tariff is somehow because of Brexit when Brexit hasn't happened yet! If anything this shows how poorly the EU acts to prevent impositions on free trade.
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I didn't suggest that at all. I said this was "a taste of what's going to come". You can try out on your own to reverse this and see how this goes. While the EU is a match, economically, for the USA, little Britain on its own is not. May and her merry band of Brexiteers have put all their trust in the "special relationship" with the USA, but that relationship looks more like that between a hooker and her pimp.

And as others have mentioned Airbus, the UK apparently don't even themselves care for their industry. What safeguards did you put in place that ECHELON data would not be abused for industrial espionage?
 
I just don't see why you're all posting about this in a Brexit thread. This is really nothing to do with Brexit at all: it's part of Trump's election pledges of 'putting America first', and is an action against the Canadian parent company - its effect on the Northern Ireland subsidiary is purely incidental.

I dare say there are probably other European suppliers to Bombardier, maybe on a smaller scale, than the Northern Ireland one. Is the EU going to do anything to protect those companies in EU countries that you still think have "good standing" with the EU? I doubt it.

It's an example of the ridiculous behaviour of remainers who wish to blame everything on Brexit. This has nothing to do with Brexit as you well know.
 
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ceptimus said:
If we're no longer members in good standing, do you agree that we should cease paying full contributions?
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A failure to do so would further highlight that we're not a member in good standing - so yes.

If you resign membership of the golf club and there is a notice period then you should continue to pay your subs - and you continue to enjoy the benefits of membership (as the UK does). Just don't expect the members to go out of their way to back you up in a fight - especially if you're spent the last 6 months wasting their time and the last two decades telling them that they're a useless shower of ****.
 
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