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Trump and NFL boycott

a_unique_person said:
I would have thought you would have had enough of war by now.
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Human history being what it is, you are so wrong I am not sure what else to say.
Gilbert Syndrome said:
It was a good while before Ali made that leap from the former to the latter, though. He was all but blacklisted for a long time for his refusal to fight for his country.
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Yeah, this was a huge issue when I was coming of age and beginning to understand politics. Ali's protest was pretty ballsy, and it cost him plenty.
The_Animus said:
A well known figure, greatly admired by Trump, tweeted that the president has more important things to focus on than the NFL.
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Yeah. What's funny is you and I get it, and he doesn't. Or is that funny? :confused:
Ziggurat said:
Suppose that Trump had suggested compelling players to stand for the anthem through government force. Would that have been problematic to you?
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It would have pissed me off in ways that I am not sure you understand.
gregthehammer said:
So apparently tonight, the Dallas Cowboys , including Jerry Jones, took a knee in solidarity before the anthem played, stood up for the anthem, and are still getting major flack. https://sports.yahoo.com/cowboys-take-knee-team-national-anthem-005655363.html
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That does not change the fact that Jones is an utter (rule10).
BobTheCoward said:
Trump has a problem when black people loudly protest and when black people silently protest....
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The only sound Trump likes is the sound of his own voice
pgwenthold said:
So you know that brave Steeler player who went out for the National Anthem all by himself?
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You are not entitled to appropriate Allejandro Villanueva's actions and feelings for your own BS. Back off. This is a man, and a patriot, who was utterly torn by this political mess, and he's man enough to admit that how it worked out was harmful to people whom he cares for: his team mates. And he's got the right message. You, not so much.
Foolmewunz said:
Please stop! The topic of the thread is important. This derail is not.
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I think that for once I disagree with you.
Noztradamus said:
No actually it's not. If this is a deep concerning issue, the USA has no real problems
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Which we know is not the case.
 
Darth Rotor said:
It would have pissed me off in ways that I am not sure you understand.
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I have an inkling. And that was the point: I don't think anyone has a problem understanding why that would be bad.

But change the context a bit, and plenty of people (not suggesting you are one) have no problem with compelled speach.
 
Ziggurat said:
But change the context a bit, and plenty of people (not suggesting you are one) have no problem with compelled speech.
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Let me put it this way: I don't care if someone buys their own flag and chooses to burn it as their form of political protest. Do what's in your heart.
Try to burn the flag that I put up in front of my house and that's not gonna end well. At all.
 
Ranb said:
A video about one man's attitude towards the hoopla regarding taking a knee during the anthem. https://imgur.com/gallery/CDl2n


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNJUsE7pEs4

Ranb
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Dale Hanson struck me as a blowhard when I first moved here. Over time I've grown to really like him. He is very good about being right when it would be easy for him not to be.

Darth Rotor said:
That does not change the fact that Jones is an utter (rule10).
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I expect hell to freeze over before that fact is even nudged. Someone showed Jones a way to try to please both sides. He took that low hanging fruit.

When 45 says he talked to Jones on the phone my head went a bit woozy. Have either of them ever spoken a complete sentence without referring to a script? That call had to produce the most confusing transcript ever typed out. And it did and we will, such a great, vey good, and that.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Rubberneckers are viewers, too. Isn't that the premise of most reality TV?
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Hell, what are TV sports fans if not rubberneckers? And with the NFL, not even the best sort of rubberneckers. I'd bet that Taylor destroying L'il Joe's leg and career has more views than the most balletic TD catches or acrobatic kick returns.
 
I wonder if this kerfuffle could go away if the networks simply announced that they would not show players during the playing of the national anthem. Seriously. Why is there a need to show players during the anthem at all?



(And, in my opinion, during the playing of the national anthem might be a great time for a commercial break, but if you did that I can picture much wailing and gnashing of teeth from pseudopatriots saying that the networks are disrespecting the flag. There's no way you can say that if they simply don't show the players.)
 
Foolmewunz said:
Hell, what are TV sports fans if not rubberneckers? And with the NFL, not even the best sort of rubberneckers. I'd bet that Taylor destroying L'il Joe's leg and career has more views than the most balletic TD catches or acrobatic kick returns.
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Not to mention NASCAR. Every clip of NASCAR that I have viewed over the last five years has included a wreck. The rest is only interesting to those who got bored with baseball because there weren't enough stats to tabulate.
 
Meadmaker said:
I wonder if this kerfuffle could go away if the networks simply announced that they would not show players during the playing of the national anthem. Seriously. Why is there a need to show players during the anthem at all?



(And, in my opinion, during the playing of the national anthem might be a great time for a commercial break, but if you did that I can picture much wailing and gnashing of teeth from pseudopatriots saying that the networks are disrespecting the flag. There's no way you can say that if they simply don't show the players.)
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It's certainly true that all the cameramen panning the teams and crowd are ignoring the flag code, and no one complains.

I understand that they have different reasons, but I don't really recall any conversation why generating images of the crowd is a good reason to turn your back on the flag but publicizing police brutality isn't a good reason to kneel before the flag.

In fact, showing images of the players instead of the flag is kinda disrespectful.
 
Meadmaker said:
I wonder if this kerfuffle could go away if the networks simply announced that they would not show players during the playing of the national anthem. Seriously. Why is there a need to show players during the anthem at all?



(And, in my opinion, during the playing of the national anthem might be a great time for a commercial break, but if you did that I can picture much wailing and gnashing of teeth from pseudopatriots saying that the networks are disrespecting the flag. There's no way you can say that if they simply don't show the players.)
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Maybe my recollection is wrong, but prior to this year, the only time I really remember the NFL showing the national anthem is during playoffs and superbowl. Again, maybe my memory is wrong, but I swear in the past they jumped from pre-game coverage to boom, the ball is being kicked off after commercial break.
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