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Trump and NFL boycott

Skeptic Ginger said:
What is it about the law cited in post 164 that you think doesn't apply here?
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The law has qualifiers. Here they are:

(a) Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity—

(1) takes or withholds, or offers or threatens to take or withhold, an official act,
or
(2) influences, or offers or threatens to influence, the official act of another,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 15 years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.
 
The President gave private citizens a very specific demand on how to hurt other citizens, of minority pedigree, financially. Now let' suppose the President did that again, except this time he says to all white, Protestant Americans: "Do not buy from blacks, those sons of bitches!"

That would be problematic, would't it, and perhaps the exact same defense that some here now argue to protect Trump would suddenly sound very spurious.

And when, a year later, perhaps following some hideous crime perpetrated by an underage black, Trump opines that "the People" have a damned right to retaliate, and the next night, thousands of black business and their churches are burnt down, hundreds murderes, you have your own Kristallnacht, and Trump, in the eyes of some here, never did anything legally wrong.

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From the Wembley clip I saw they were perfectly respectable towards the anthem. They stood right through God save the Queen.
 
Sherkeu said:
The law has qualifiers. Here they are:

(a) Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity—

(1) takes or withholds, or offers or threatens to take or withhold, an official act,
or
(2) influences, or offers or threatens to influence, the official act of another,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 15 years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.
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Would be interesting to know if there is a similar law about State Government Members. If so I'd say that threatening to withdraw funding over protests would more then count as supression of free speach.
 
NoahFence said:
I'm rather hoping we don't need to see one of the protesters get assassinated and let the requisite time pass before we address this issue.

I wish we'd stop bitching about the protest and start bitching about systemic racism. I mean all of us.
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They don't have to die just wait a few decades like how Muhammad Ali became someone who "transcended race".
 
The owner of the Jaguars referred to his linking arms with his players as a Rosa Parks moment.
 
One of the things I wonder about is how this ends. This protest movement is a real thing now, but what's the next move? Also, does it spread out of the NFL? This Friday, will we see high school students on knees or locking arms?

I'm a member of a FIRST robotics team, and we have a forum. We start our events with the national anthem. There's a thread there about how we ought to react to these events. As you might expect, it's more heated than most threads. Fortunately, our main events don't start until late February, by which time I think we'll be over this national kerfuffle, but I can see that this has escalated to where it's something people talk about, and won't be just limited to a few players on television. Where does it go from here?
 
Foolmewunz said:
We got that. We're slow but we figure things out eventually. So how about the further hypothetical? The topic conservatives are assiduously avoiding. What do you think of Trump's statements and his use of his bully pulpit to target political foes, which is what he sees them as.

Forget that Nixon-Agnew patriotism crap. Trump likes to model himself after ******* Richard Nixon! Now those were the days. We had the flag-waving war-supporting right wing in an actual war against those hippies and colored folks who dare to shout for "Peace, Now!" He's trying to rekindle that kind of ugly jingoism.
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"Nattering nabobs of negativism".

Those were the days. Trump hasn't got the vocabulary to come up with gems like that.
 
Arcade22 said:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/25/trump-nfl-fight-nascar-243091

The President can't accomplish anything meaningful so instead he's going to do something he's actually good at: sowing discord and social strife to rile up his white trash base.

Oh and Trump's definitively not racist or prejudiced against black people in any shape of form despite acting like he is. He knows he's not racist and that means he isn't. I mean you'd trust Trump wouldn't you? You're a patriot aren't you?
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If Trump were a used car salesman he'd have me looking for a different dealership.

With luck he will ultimately have the same effect on the GOP, but so far they seem content with a transparent liar.
 
Trebuchet said:
And the distraction continues to succeed. Graham-Cassidy is essentially dead, but who knows about it? Trump has managed to distract the MSM so that nobody is aware of his latest failure. I've realized he's a lot cleverer than I thought.
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More like how a flower bends toward the sun; Trump bends towards attention.


There's no plan just nihilistic malice fueled by a racist worldview.
 
Meadmaker said:
One of the things I wonder about is how this ends.
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With the NFL's leadership significantly reduced for years to come, and player sallaries cut accordingly.

Here's the thing: people won't be boycotting because Trump told them to. They will be boycotting because football is no longer an escape from politics. That is the NFLs own fault.
 
Ziggurat said:
With the NFL's leadership significantly reduced for years to come, and player sallaries cut accordingly.

Here's the thing: people won't be boycotting because Trump told them to. They will be boycotting because football is no longer an escape from politics. That is the NFLs own fault.
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But at least we can still enjoy watching black men get brain damage. That is the best part after all.
 
Ziggurat said:
With the NFL's leadership significantly reduced for years to come, and player sallaries cut accordingly.

Here's the thing: people won't be boycotting because Trump told them to. They will be boycotting because football is no longer an escape from politics. That is the NFLs own fault.
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I would think that if Trump didn't see fit to yap about it for no reason, it would not have had an impact on ticket sales. Why did he even bring it up?

ponderingturtle said:
But at least we can still enjoy watching black men get brain damage. That is the best part after all.
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Do white men not get brain damage in the NFL? Do they get better, inertial-dampening helmets?
 
Argumemnon said:
I would think that if Trump didn't see fit to yap about it for no reason, it would not have had an impact on ticket sales. Why did he even bring it up?



Do white men not get brain damage in the NFL? Do they get better, inertial-dampening helmets?
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No they just are not hit as much being on special teams and such.

"The spotlight on quarterbacks apparently hasn’t had the same effect on the center position, another up-the-middle spot traditionally reserved for those perceived as the most astute players. Despite a nearly 50-50 split along the offensive line, at center more than 81 percent of the players are white. Conversely, cornerback is the blackest position on the field: 99.4 percent of players are African-American. On defense overall, roughly 80 percent of the players are black. Switching back to offense, among running backs, the numbers are also heavily tilted toward blacks.

According to the annual racial and gender report card published by TIDES, the NFL is almost 70 percent black, and only 12.5 percent of running backs are white in the most recent year for statistics, 2014, while the inverse was true for special teams positions of kicker and punter, where 97.8 percent of players were white."

https://theundefeated.com/features/the-nfls-racial-divide/
 
ponderingturtle;12008484 "The spotlight on quarterbacks apparently hasn’t had the same effect on the center position said:
Translation: more stereotyping based on implicit bias. This line reminds me of MMA where so many black fighters are called, "explosive and athletic."
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Captain_Swoop said:
"I prefer somone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag.”
― Molly Ivins
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Back in the 90s when the flag desecration amendment was being voted on regularly, there was an issue of the Avengers in which Spider-Man jokingly asked Captain America if his costume violated the proposed rules.
Cap's response was something like "As long as you respect the ideals that the flag represents, it doesn't matter what you do with the cloth itself."
 
Argumemnon said:
I would think that if Trump didn't see fit to yap about it for no reason, it would not have had an impact on ticket sales. Why did he even bring it up?
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It's not Trump yapping that made viewership drop. It was the NFL doubling down on the protests that did. He goaded them into a mistake, and they stupidly fell for it.

As for his motives? Attention, an easy victory, planet X, doesn't really matter. Trump gonna Trump.
 
Armitage72 said:
Back in the 90s when the flag desecration amendment was being voted on regularly, there was an issue of the Avengers in which Spider-Man jokingly asked Captain America if his costume violated the proposed rules.
Cap's response was something like "As long as you respect the ideals that the flag represents, it doesn't matter what you do with the cloth itself."
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Lets not forget however he was always totally evil and against everything that makes America GreatTM
 
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