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Trump and NFL boycott

Beerina said:
I remember when Bill Clinton, as a candidate I think, went on Arsenio Hall and played saxophone. Some complained that this was not presidential.


There seems to be nothing left of any decorum at this point.
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The same folks also lost their minds because Obama wore a tan suit. Having lost their minds, they then voted for Trump.
 
Beerina said:
I remember when Bill Clinton, as a candidate I think, went on Arsenio Hall and played saxophone. Some complained that this was not presidential.
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"Some" being largely of the GOP persuasion.

The same ones who went ballistic over Obama wearing a tan suit.

Or [Gasp!] sitting in the Oval Office without his suit coat on.

And not to forget Spicer's cutting criticism of the elitist use of Dijon mustard.

There seems to be nothing left of any decorum at this point.
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The Donald certainly has set new standards. They'll be mighty tough for any subsequent President to crawl under.

(ETA: Rats. Treb beat me to it. :()
 
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The triumph of form over substance is something to behold, as Trump wraps himself in the flag, and meanwhile he doesn't give a rat's ass that a foreign adversary meddled in the election. Worse than that actually -- he encouraged the meddling.
 
The anthem is pre-game, so put players on the field AFTER it plays.

The Steelers are doing just that.

[Head coach] Tomlin told CBS’s Jamie Erdahl, the team will remain in its Soldier Field locker room. Tomlin emphasized the decision was based on removing the pressure from players feeling they needed to decide whether to protest or not.
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Trump may call it 'sad!' but but there won't be much left to debate.


*partial reposting from the Trump Pres. thread.
 
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Trump gives a perfect example of the not-an-arguement strategy.

Courageous Patriots have fought and died for our great American Flag --- we MUST honor and respect it!
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And racist policing by people claiming to share the mantle of Patriots are not honoring and respecting it. The point of the kneeling is to call attention to it. If law enforcement (if they are the problem) had a policy of taking a knee, the athletes would not take knees because they are not in solidarity with them.
 
Sadly, the Pittsburgh Penguins seems to be bucking the trend...

From: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nguins-will-visit-donald-trump-at-white-house
The Pittsburgh Penguins announced in a statement Sunday morning that the team would visit the White House following its 2016-17 Stanley Cup title:

"The Pittsburgh Penguins respect the institution of the Office of the President, and the long tradition of championship teams visiting the White House. We attended White House ceremonies after previous championships—touring the historic building and visiting briefly with Presidents George H.W. Bush and Barack Obama—and have accepted an invitation to attend again this year. Any agreement or disagreement with a president's politics, policies or agenda can be expressed in other ways. However, we very much respect the rights of other individuals and groups to express themselves as they see fit."

I think this may be the first time I've been embarrassed to be a hockey fan. Then I remember, its the Penguins, a team I've hated for decades, due to their hypocritical whining.
 
So is there any evidence of an actual boycott or was just another ineffectual Trump Tantrum?
 
Brainster said:
You almost have to feel sorry for the NFL owners.
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If anyone really feels sorry for the NFL owners, they only have to remember that several of them publicly supported Trump during the last election. Furthermore, many donated money, either to his campaign or to his inauguration. It kind of takes away the sympathy when you realize that they supported a man who is as racist as Trump is.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/nfl-owners-donated-trump-article-1.3516329
 
Beerina said:
I remember when Bill Clinton, as a candidate I think, went on Arsenio Hall and played saxophone. Some complained that this was not presidential.


There seems to be nothing left of any decorum at this point.
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Good point. I remember that.

He also played saxophone at one of his own inaugural balls. I remember watching and thinking, "Wow. Not only is the President of the United States playing a saxophone, but the song he is playing is 'Your Mama Don't Dance and Your Daddy Don't Rock and Roll."

I thought it was pretty cool. Some in the right wing media thought it was proof America was head to Hell in a handbasket.

And now.....we have Trump. So, I guess the right wing media was proven correct after all.



Meanwhile, on the direct thread topic, I would like to thank Donald Trump for doing something to Make America Great Again. One of the best things about Americans is that if you tell Americans that they can't do something, Americans will tell you to shove it, and will do it to spite you. Donald Trump has managed to take an individual protest by one man and turn it into a widespread protest across the whole league. Thank you, Donald, for bringing out America's best.
 
quadraginta said:
It's a fine old tradition.

Think about how many sports stadiums built right after WWI were named "Memorial" or, more straightforwardly, "War Memorial" Stadium.

For whatever reason, the connection between sports and patriotism lies deep and entrenched in the American psyche.
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Really? You have sports stadiums named WAR memorial???????
 
Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin backed President Donald Trump's days of attacks on NFL players, saying athletes "can do free speech on their own time."

Beginning at a Friday rally in Alabama, Trump has suggested players who have knelt during the national anthem in order to protest racism and police brutality should be kicked out of the league. Most players who have participated in the protests are black.

"I think what the president is saying is that the owners should have a rule that players should have to stand in respect for the national anthem," Mnuchin said Sunday on ABC's "This Week." "This isn't about Democrats, it's not about Republicans, it's not about race, it's not about free speech. They can do free speech on their own time. That this is about respect for the military and first responders in the country."

Mnuchin made similar remarks Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union."
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/24/nfl-players-mnuchin-trump-free-speech-243065

I'm wondering why anyone should be obligated to "show respect" towards the military and "first responders" during a sports game of all events. I mean surely they can have other events, parades or public holidays explicitly set aside for showing public support for the military and others.

Why not go all in and make it a criminal offense to not stand and sing to the national anthem at cinemas, theaters and other venues? All students at public (and private) schools should be obligated to make the pledge of allegiance in front of the American flag and a portrait of the current President when the school day begins, during lunch and when it ends.
 
Arcade22 said:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/24/nfl-players-mnuchin-trump-free-speech-243065

I'm wondering why anyone should be obligated to "show respect" towards the military and "first responders" during a sports game of all events. I mean surely they can have other events, parades or public holidays explicitly set aside for showing public support for the military and others.

Why not go all in and make it a criminal offense to not stand and sing to the national anthem at cinemas, theaters and other venues? All students at public (and private) schools should be obligated to make the pledge of allegiance in front of the American flag and a portrait of the current President when the school day begins, during lunch and when it ends.
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How the heck did we determine it is about respect for first responders and the military? I thought a national anthem was there for all of us?
 
mikado said:
Really? You have sports stadiums named WAR memorial???????
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Yes. And Soldier Field. Veterans' Stadium. All sorts of war references.

These days, most of our stadiums are named after companies, and the names are changed when the company decides to stop paying the fee, but back before we started selling the rights to temporarily name the stadium, war references were very common.
 
Segnosaur said:
Sadly, the Pittsburgh Penguins seems to be bucking the trend...

From: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nguins-will-visit-donald-trump-at-white-house
The Pittsburgh Penguins announced in a statement Sunday morning that the team would visit the White House following its 2016-17 Stanley Cup title:

"The Pittsburgh Penguins respect the institution of the Office of the President, and the long tradition of championship teams visiting the White House. We attended White House ceremonies after previous championships—touring the historic building and visiting briefly with Presidents George H.W. Bush and Barack Obama—and have accepted an invitation to attend again this year. Any agreement or disagreement with a president's politics, policies or agenda can be expressed in other ways. However, we very much respect the rights of other individuals and groups to express themselves as they see fit."

I think this may be the first time I've been embarrassed to be a hockey fan. Then I remember, its the Penguins, a team I've hated for decades, due to their hypocritical whining.
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The Penguins roster lists 43 players, only 17 of whom are Americans. Should they have to stand for someone else's anthem?
 
Meadmaker said:
Yes. And Soldier Field. Veterans' Stadium. All sorts of war references.

These days, most of our stadiums are named after companies, and the names are changed when the company decides to stop paying the fee, but back before we started selling the rights to temporarily name the stadium, war references were very common.
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The big pro stadiums get corporate names but thousands of smaller ones are still war memorials. That includes one in Seattle and one in my little town. The one here actually has cannons in front if it which were "liberated" during the Spanish American War.
 
Segnosaur said:
Sadly, the Pittsburgh Penguins seems to be bucking the trend...

From: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nguins-will-visit-donald-trump-at-white-house
The Pittsburgh Penguins announced in a statement Sunday morning that the team would visit the White House following its 2016-17 Stanley Cup title:

"The Pittsburgh Penguins respect the institution of the Office of the President, and the long tradition of championship teams visiting the White House. We attended White House ceremonies after previous championships—touring the historic building and visiting briefly with Presidents George H.W. Bush and Barack Obama—and have accepted an invitation to attend again this year. Any agreement or disagreement with a president's politics, policies or agenda can be expressed in other ways. However, we very much respect the rights of other individuals and groups to express themselves as they see fit."

I think this may be the first time I've been embarrassed to be a hockey fan. Then I remember, its the Penguins, a team I've hated for decades, due to their hypocritical whining.
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As a Pens fan, I am biased, but I respect a team's choice not to become overtly political. I also respect a team's choice to refuse a White House invitation in these times.

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I have arbitrarily decided that anyone that doesn't stand up at 10:37 AM and say "bleeg blort" is disrespecting our nations kindergarten teachers. They put in lot of work for our kids and I find it infuriating that so many people don't show them respect by engaging in a weird ceremony I just made up.
 
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