Merged General Holocaust denial discussion Part IV

Loss Leader said:
A helmet isn't a weapon, either. And it doesn't have to be worn in a war. But an ancient helmet shows that at least there was a soldier there. And shoes show that there were people there - civilians. And they left for some undiscovered country without taking their shoes.
Click to expand...

Or anything else for that matter. One wonders where Saggy thinks all these butt naked Jews without a single belonging to their names actually went.
 
Saggy said:
You can quickly review

The Auschwitz Album is the only surviving visual evidence of the process leading to the mass murder at Auschwitz-Birkenau.

which of course includes not one iota of 'visual evidence of the process leading to mass murder', but does document the fact that prisoners at Auschwtiz were given uniforms including shoes and had their heads shaved.
Click to expand...

What happened to the hundreds and thousands of Jews who were deported to Auschwitz, but were never registered to any camp?

The number of deportees far exceeds the numbers actually admitted and registered.
 
Last edited:
Loss Leader said:
A helmet isn't a weapon, either. And it doesn't have to be worn in a war. But an ancient helmet shows that at least there was a soldier there. And shoes show that there were people there - civilians. And they left for some undiscovered country without taking their shoes.
Click to expand...

But in trutherland the zionists bought all these shoes in some undisclosed shoestore, threw them in an empty chamber and hired a zionist shilling photographer to take that picture.

...yeah, I know. It makes no sense...
 
Saggy said:
You can quickly review

The Auschwitz Album is the only surviving visual evidence of the process leading to the mass murder at Auschwitz-Birkenau.

which of course includes not one iota of 'visual evidence of the process leading to mass murder',
Click to expand...
False. That is precisely what the photographs in the album show, as you were informed about 2 weeks ago (http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11986847&postcount=3494). The album "documents in about 200 photos . . . the arrival, selection, confiscation of property, and preparation for the physical liquidation of a Jewish 'transport' to Auschwitz-Birkenau. . . . the album [ ] document the dispatch of a Jewish transport of deportees in the spring of 1944 . . ." (The album shows more than this, of course, for example, how in the selection process arriving prisoners were processed for a stay in the camp and/or to be shuffled to a worksite/labor camp.)

This particular photograph from the Jacob album, for example, played a key role in Eric Hunt's defection from Holocaust denial.

LdAVfY8.jpg


The photograph shows, according to Pressac, four Hungarian Jews "directed towards the entrance to [Krema V's] vestibule." Hunt's analysis is not entirely convincing but this much is mostly correct, "The woman was brought to this Crematorium, likely via the truck in the photograph, from the train tracks on the other side of the camp. That the elderly were taken by truck from the train tracks on the other side of the camp to these crematories matches with many other witness accounts. This woman may have heard the rumors, or otherwise realized she was going to be executed. She may have heard screams from inside the crematorium. She is being dragged towards a gas chamber in Crematorium 5 . . . There has been and is no reasonable “Revisionist” answer to explain away this photograph." Hunt went on the analyze what is shown in the photo against other evidence, to place it at Krema V. (https://archive.fo/DoGTn#selection-429.0-429.70)

Here is a better interpretation of the photo: https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/no-sonderkommando-prisoners-on.html. There is a lot more that can be said about this single photo, showing the minutes before prisoners were taken to the Krema for gassing, but let's leave it here for now, showing how dishonest your repetitious claims are.
 
Last edited:
Oh I'm sure he'll come along with some kind of denier tantrum about that one.

He won't even deal with the far more explicit Sonderkammando photographs.
 
LemmyCaution said:
False. That is precisely what the photographs in the album show, as you were informed about 2 weeks ago (http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11986847&postcount=3494). The album "documents in about 200 photos . . . the arrival, selection, confiscation of property, and preparation for the physical liquidation of a Jewish 'transport' to Auschwitz-Birkenau. . . . the album [ ] document the dispatch of a Jewish transport of deportees in the spring of 1944 . . ." (The album shows more than this, of course, for example, how in the selection process arriving prisoners were processed for a stay in the camp and/or to be shuffled to a worksite/labor camp.)

This particular photograph from the Jacob album, for example, played a key role in Eric Hunt's defection from Holocaust denial.

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/LdAVfY8.jpg[/qimg]

The photograph shows, according to Pressac, four Hungarian Jews "directed towards the entrance to [Krema V's] vestibule." Hunt's analysis is not entirely convincing but this much is mostly correct, "The woman was brought to this Crematorium, likely via the truck in the photograph, from the train tracks on the other side of the camp. That the elderly were taken by truck from the train tracks on the other side of the camp to these crematories matches with many other witness accounts. This woman may have heard the rumors, or otherwise realized she was going to be executed. She may have heard screams from inside the crematorium. She is being dragged towards a gas chamber in Crematorium 5 . . . There has been and is no reasonable “Revisionist” answer to explain away this photograph." Hunt went on the analyze what is shown in the photo against other evidence, to place it at Krema V. (https://archive.fo/DoGTn#selection-429.0-429.70)

Here is a better interpretation of the photo: https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/no-sonderkommando-prisoners-on.html. There is a lot more that can be said about this single photo, showing the minutes before prisoners were taken to the Krema for gassing, but let's leave it here for now, showing how dishonest your repetitious claims are.
Click to expand...


Claiming this photo is evidence of the hoax is pure idiocy. Way beyond rational comment.

It shows simultaneously the chutzpah and the desperation of the hoaxers.
 
Saggy said:
Claiming this photo is evidence of the hoax is pure idiocy. Way beyond rational comment.

It shows simultaneously the chutzpah and the desperation of the hoaxers.
Click to expand...
Another example of the strength of your analysis, I see.

As for the desperation of hoaxers, I myself didn't see anything that special about the photo: but it helped convince Eric Hunt, hardly a mainstream advocate of the Holocaust or a "lying Jew," in large measure through his study of the physical features in the photo, that it could show nothing other than the minutes before victims went to the Krema V gas chambers.

Do you ever have anything of substance to say? Or is it always handwaving and scoffing with you?
 
Dash80 said:
Oh I'm sure he'll come along with some kind of denier tantrum about that one.

He won't even deal with the far more explicit Sonderkammando photographs.
Click to expand...
Brief tantrum: more argument from incredulity.

Actually, Saggy doesn't deal with anything. I post mainly - riffing on deniers' obsessions - to provide readers with evidence based material and perhaps initiate some discussions amongst those truly interested. (Saggy's obsessions suspiciously mirror those of the incompetent creator of the holohoax101 website - which is presented in strikingly familiar terms, eh.)

That said, Saggy's tactics sometimes also need calling out :)
 
Last edited:
Saggy said:
Claiming this photo is evidence of the hoax is pure idiocy. Way beyond rational comment.
Click to expand...

It seems that rational comments are just something you won't do.

This is just more evidence of you ignoring everything you come across that doesn't agree with what you already believe. Your position on this issue is not evidence-based.
 
Saggy said:
You at least seem to understand the question, but .... a list of links won't do.

I could ask ..... prove the holocaust happened, and you could respond ...

see.. www.ushmm.org

but that ain't gonna get it.

If you can present and discuss some element of physical evidence, do so.

If you can present one credible Jewish eyewitness and discuss their testimony, along with corroborating testimony, and physical or documentary evidence that supports their testimony do so.

If you can name one person who was gassed at Auschwitz and present the evidence for it, do so.

Otherwise the challenge is unanswered.
Click to expand...

I am calling you out as a bare face liar. Physical evidence, credible witnesses, people who were gassed and the evidence has been presented on numerous occasions.

Meanwhile, you refuse to evidence your own beliefs. Which makes you a hypocrite.

You are a hypocrite and a liar.
 
Saggy said:
A point of clarification for the non-hasbara readers - to prove that the holocaust is a hoax I don't have to prove that it never happened, all I have to do is prove that the 'evidence' presented for the hoax is false, and as is always the case, a deliberate lie.

That is why every lying eyewitness, each one of them supported by Yad Vashem, the USHMM, Hillel, etc, all prove that there is an ongoing hoax. Irene Zisblatt lecturing at a university is proof of the hoax.

The phony gas chamber at krema1 is proof of a hoax.

The tortured confessions of Germans (the prime example is that of Hoess) prove a hoax.

The existence of the hasbara is part of the hoax, it proves a hoax. The endless idiotic comments on the forum are all part of the hoax and demonstrate the hoax.
Click to expand...

So if one person is found lying about something it didn't happen?

Okay, I dig that, Hitler was eight feet tall.

Now by your logic Hitler is a hoax, as I'm sure you know I was lying. Seeing as he is a hoax now, you can pack up your ball and go home, no need to defend someone who doesn't exist.
 
Saggy said:
Claiming this photo is evidence of the hoax is pure idiocy. Way beyond rational comment.

It shows simultaneously the chutzpah and the desperation of the hoaxers.
Click to expand...

So perhaps you'd like to offer your own RATIONAL analysis to explain why a distressed woman is being lead towards the crematorium?
 
LemmyCaution said:
Brief tantrum: more argument from incredulity.

Actually, Saggy doesn't deal with anything. I post mainly - riffing on deniers' obsessions - to provide readers with evidence based material and perhaps initiate some discussions amongst those truly interested. (Saggy's obsessions suspiciously mirror those of the incompetent creator of the holohoax101 website - which is presented in strikingly familiar terms, eh.)

That said, Saggy's tactics sometimes also need calling out :)
Click to expand...

Yes, Saggy. Is holohoax101 your baby?
 
Saggy said:
Claiming this photo is evidence of the hoax is pure idiocy. Way beyond rational comment...
Click to expand...

shorter Saggy: I'm running away from this because I believe in a silly Conspiracy Theory and cannot provide any evidence of my claims.
 
sadhatter said:
So if one person is found lying about something it didn't happen?
Click to expand...

Not 'one person', Nobel prize winner and first director of the USHMM tells prima facie whoppers in his book 'Night' which I haven't even gotten to. The 'prima facie' is important, everyone knows that Wiesel is lying on first reading.

Spielberg chose 5 from his collection of 50,000 and they are all prima facie idiotic liars, Zisblatt is just the most exterme example, as Eric Hunt demonstrates in his movie 'The Last Days'.

A. Bomba is one of the most idiotic, and he is featured on the USHMM site.

Ditto Venezia.

So, it's not a drunk in the bar that is lying, all these 'eyewitnesses' are endorsed by the entire holohoax establishtment, thus, the whole establishment is lying.

Now, if you can formulate a rational response, please do so.
 
Saggy said:
Not 'one person', Nobel prize winner and first director of the USHMM tells prima facie whoppers in his book 'Night' which I haven't even gotten to. The 'prima facie' is important, everyone knows that Wiesel is lying on first reading.

Spielberg chose 5 from his collection of 50,000 and they are all prima facie idiotic liars, Zisblatt is just the most exterme example, as Eric Hunt demonstrates in his movie 'The Last Days'.

A. Bomba is one of the most idiotic, and he is featured on the USHMM site.

Ditto Venezia.

So, it's not a drunk in the bar that is lying, all these 'eyewitnesses' are endorsed by the entire holohoax establishtment, thus, the whole establishment is lying.

Now, if you can formulate a rational response, please do so.
Click to expand...

You have not, as of yet, fully articulated the reasons why you think Bomba and Venezia are lying.
Your old sig line with Venezia(?) only showed your ignorance of idiomatic expressions used by a non-native English speaker.
 
Be sure to include adjectives when replying to Saggy - he uses them instead of evidence. Saggy's idea of "rational response": ". . . prima facie whoppers . . . everyone knows . . . all prima facie idiotic liars . . . the most exterme [sic] example . . . one of the most idiotic . . . thus, the whole establishment is lying."
 
Last edited:
Elagabalus said:
You have not, as of yet, fully articulated the reasons why you think Bomba and Venezia are lying.
Your old sig line with Venezia(?) only showed your ignorance of idiomatic expressions used by a non-native English speaker.
Click to expand...

Anyone who studies any of the witness testimony will quickly discover that it is prima facie absurd. Another of my favorites is F. Meuller, who is by the way according to Yad Vashem director Yehuda Bauer the only man who saw the Jewish people die and lived to tell about it, and his testimony is incomparably absurd.

Don't take my word for it. But do note that the challenge to name one credible Jewish eyewitness and discuss their testimony, along with any corroborating testimony, and any physical or documentary evidence that supports their testimony, goes unanswered.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom