New telepathy test, the sequel.

Michel H. You are simply making circular excuses now to avoid remedying your illness.

1) You claimed we can all read your thoughts.
2) You claimed we were all dishonest in our replies.
3) However you enter your bank account no and pin number all the time into a computer and no one has taken your money.

Are you saying everyone in the world is 100% honest but simultaneously 100% lying? That's just your schizophrenia isn't it?
 
abaddon said:
I did. You made bizarre claims.

The user named "Diamond" whatever must be more credible by dint of their user name. That is a useless claim. I could have registered on this site as "The One True god". Would that make me more credible to you?

How about the fact that the name I did register was "abaddon" as appears in Rev 9:11? Does that make me more or less credible?

Why is your username an anagram for "Ciel, hhm?" Do you stare at the ceiling? Should I make that conclusion? Why? or Why not?
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I did. You made bizarre claims.
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Perhaps less bizarre than some other claims commonly considered on this paranormal forum. Telepathy can be thought of as some kind of mental radio, (maybe) no need to change the current laws of physics.
The user named "Diamond" whatever must be more credible by dint of their user name. That is a useless claim. I could have registered on this site as "The One True god". Would that make me more credible to you?
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Yes, I think that the user name does give valuable information on the state of mind of the member, but such methods should obviously be used with caution.
The name "The One True god" sounds a little suspicious to me (too extreme). Are you sure you don't prefer "The One True God"? ;)
How about the fact that the name I did register was "abaddon" as appears in Rev 9:11? Does that make me more or less credible?
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Quite possibly, yes. Abaddon seems to roughly mean "the Destroyer" in the Bible
( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaddon ).
 
Dave Rogers said:
Have you been in touch, then, with ISF member King of the Americas, who also believes telepathy is real and should therefore be interested in collaborating with you to prove it?

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Michel H, this is an excellent suggestion! I'm surprised you and King of the Americas didn't think of it yourselves!

You claim to be capable of transmitting your thoughts and King of the Americas believes it possible to receive thoughts. I can't think of any two people better suited to working together to prove that telepathy exists, can you? Only a dishonest person who doesn't believe telepathy is real would balk at leveraging that alliance.

When will you and KotA be jumping at the chance to work together?
 
Dave Rogers said:
Have you been in touch, then, with ISF member King of the Americas, who also believes telepathy is real and should therefore be interested in collaborating with you to prove it?

Dave
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No, I have not (though I think King of the A. deserves some credit for openly saying he believes in telepathy).

I have already given my opinion about King in a discussion with RoboTimbo. Perhaps I can repost these messages here for you:
Michel H said:
King of the Americas has never indicated to me he was ready to participate in a telepathy test with me. Actually, he's a member here since 2001, and I don't think he ever participated in one of the 20 telepathy tests I did on this forum (or on its predecessor, the forum of the Randi Educational Foundation). Note that I do not say this to blame him, this is just a simple observation.
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Michel H said:
King seems to be particularly interested in the so-called "Psychic staring effect", wikipedia has an article about this alleged, controversial effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychic_staring_effect

My motivation, when I do ESP (ESP = extra-sensory perception) tests, is to try to demonstrate that I can project my thoughts to other people worldwide, because of a truly exceptional and apparently unique psychic phenomenon. The motivations and interests are not quite the same. In addition, I usually do my online telepathy tests with a group, a community of people, not with one single person. I have no reason to think that tests with King would be particularly successful. His choice of name and posting style can sometimes raise some eyebrows.
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Michel H said:
King of the A. is simply not a particularly interesting (potential and hypothetical) partner to me in ESP tests. I can find thousands of other partners in the world, this is the latest example: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11982014&postcount=800
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Needless to say, if I were to do another ESP test on this forum, King of the A. would be more than welcome to participate, like all other members of this forum.
 
RoboTimbo said:
Michel H, this is an excellent suggestion! I'm surprised you and King of the Americas didn't think of it yourselves!

You claim to be capable of transmitting your thoughts and King of the Americas believes it possible to receive thoughts. I can't think of any two people better suited to working together to prove that telepathy exists, can you? Only a dishonest person who doesn't believe telepathy is real would balk at leveraging that alliance.

When will you and KotA be jumping at the chance to work together?
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Please see my answer to Dave Rogers above.
 
RoboTimbo said:
Still just dishonestly dodging a real test then? Nothing new there. You don't believe telepathy exists.
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I see no dishonesty here. If a few of you are interested, I am ready to do a new ESP test on this forum, at an appropriate time. We might find on such an occasion that King of the A. does not show up.
 
Michel H said:
I see no dishonesty here. If a few of you are interested, I am ready to do a new ESP test on this forum, at an appropriate time. We might find on such an occasion that King of the A. does not show up.
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Yes, you are showing dishonesty. King of the Americas believes that telepathy exists and you claim you can transmit your thoughts. That would be a perfect match to set up a test.

But you say you don't want to do a test with KotA because he believes in another kind of telepathy and yet you want to do tests with skeptics who don't believe it exists at all. I'm sure you'll agree that that's dishonest.
 
RoboTimbo said:
Yes, you are showing dishonesty. King of the Americas believes that telepathy exists and you claim you can transmit your thoughts. That would be a perfect match to set up a test.

But you say you don't want to do a test with KotA because he believes in another kind of telepathy and yet you want to do tests with skeptics who don't believe it exists at all. I'm sure you'll agree that that's dishonest.
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I have actually had some good answers in my telepathy tests on this forum in the past, which did not seem skeptical, for example this one:
calwaterbear said:
... I do indeed have ESP, and know for a fact that he wrote 2!
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which I have already reposted.
Even a moderator replied:
Loss Leader said:
I am seeing a 4 very clearly. It's almost as though I had written it myself.
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These answers were both correct (and note how remarkable they were).
However, I don't want to try to force you to do things that you don't like, or you don't feel comfortable with. But, I nevertheless believe that all members of this forum have a duty to try to contribute to the truth, even if it is hard (we all sometimes have to do things that we don't like, this is true for me too).
 
Michel H said:
Yes, I think that the user name does give valuable information on the state of mind of the member, but such methods should obviously be used with caution.
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How do you apply such caution?

Even if you were right, a member name only gives insight into the person's state of mind when she signed up for the forum. She may have developed a drinking problem since then or had a head injury in a car accident. How did you rule such things out?


Michel H said:
I have actually had some good answers in my telepathy tests on this forum in the past, which did not seem skeptical, for example this one:

which I have already reposted.
Even a moderator replied:
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I WAS LYING IN ORDER TO MAKE FUN OF YOU.

Besides, my forum name is Loss Leader. Loss is a negative thing. It means that the leader (in this case the beginning of a magnetic computer tape) is lost and cannot be recovered. That's bad. My name suggests a lack of credibility.
 
Here's an impartial telepathy test protocol. Again. Michel rejects this because reasons. Note that it doesn't include an arbitrary after-the-fact application of credibility weightings.

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Below are 100 words. I will randomly select a word and tell Michel what that word is via PM. He will circle that word 4 times and stare at it. I will invite responses.

Here are the 100 words, in groups of 5x2:

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kneecap furious partner absolve canter
because december bridge banana dissolve

wander petunia echo zombie gigantic
archer binary charter elongated disruptive

foghorn gaggle history individual joinery
kindly latitude mandate nobody opera

platform quorum rattle statue tabernacle
uncle vibration watercress yearning zither

apricot baffle cabbage debated everywhere
flightless gateway hardly iconic jester

knowledge lovely missile noticed optimism
percolate quantity reversal substitute throbbing

unconscious vertigo whaling yesterday zygote
adversary barricade capable decking envelope

foccacia generator hoping imaginary jelly
kingdom lacerate morbidly nagging opposite

pardon quince ruminate sandstone toffee
universal vermilion workmanship yacht zoology

alphabet beneath challenger cardinal deliberate
fulminate gathering haberdashery paperless attachment
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Next step is to choose a word at random.
 
Loss Leader said:
How do you apply such caution?

Even if you were right, a member name only gives insight into the person's state of mind when she signed up for the forum. She may have developed a drinking problem since then or had a head injury in a car accident. How did you rule such things out?





I WAS LYING IN ORDER TO MAKE FUN OF YOU.

Besides, my forum name is Loss Leader. Loss is a negative thing. It means that the leader (in this case the beginning of a magnetic computer tape) is lost and cannot be recovered. That's bad. My name suggests a lack of credibility.
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Even if you were right, a member name only gives insight into the person's state of mind when she signed up for the forum.
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Not necessarily, because the member can (I suppose) change his/her name later. I don't know how easy or difficult it is to have one's member name changed on this forum but, on Yahoo Answers or doctissimo, it is possible to close an account and to open a new one, with a different name. I recently saw a member on docti who said "I am the member previously known as ...".

Your own behavior in "my" telepathy threads shows a striking agreement with your forum name because you made a complete fool of yourself by explaining that you "lied" (as a moderator!). This is the "loss" aspect. But, on the other hand, you were a "leader" for a while because you gave such an (apparently) good and sincere answer in one of my tests. It is possible that you have a habit of somewhat borderline dangerous behaviors, but that you enjoy some protection from people who may appreciate you for various reasons. Actually, if I recollect correctly, you gave the correct answer in one of my tests not once, but twice, because you once had the very "clever" idea to start a test right after one of mine, using a target number based on my target, in order to get more hits.

How do I use caution? I study carefully answers and personalities, and the user name is only one aspect. For example, when I see a member whose name is "King of the Americas", it does not take me many hours of hard thinking to figure out that such a member may not have the important qualities of (occasional) humility to be a good percipient in an ESP test.

It is usually very essential in my ESP tests to analyse and to interpret replies. For example, if I do a test on a skeptical forum, I can expect or suspect that people will generally avoid the target ("psi missing"), but some posts might be good.
 
Kid Eager said:
Here's an impartial telepathy test protocol. Again. Michel rejects this because reasons. Note that it doesn't include an arbitrary after-the-fact application of credibility weightings.

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Below are 100 words. I will randomly select a word and tell Michel what that word is via PM. He will circle that word 4 times and stare at it. I will invite responses.

Here are the 100 words, in groups of 5x2:

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kneecap furious partner absolve canter
because december bridge banana dissolve

wander petunia echo zombie gigantic
archer binary charter elongated disruptive

foghorn gaggle history individual joinery
kindly latitude mandate nobody opera

platform quorum rattle statue tabernacle
uncle vibration watercress yearning zither

apricot baffle cabbage debated everywhere
flightless gateway hardly iconic jester

knowledge lovely missile noticed optimism
percolate quantity reversal substitute throbbing

unconscious vertigo whaling yesterday zygote
adversary barricade capable decking envelope

foccacia generator hoping imaginary jelly
kingdom lacerate morbidly nagging opposite

pardon quince ruminate sandstone toffee
universal vermilion workmanship yacht zoology

alphabet beneath challenger cardinal deliberate
fulminate gathering haberdashery paperless attachment
__________________________________________

Next step is to choose a word at random.
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You have already participated in one of my "current" telepathy tests:
Kid Eager said:
It's becoming clear now.

I see a chariot. No, sorry - it's oregano....

Running around the oregano I see figures. They're small and have orange hair. Could be the number 6 coated in felt, but it's hard to be sure.

All this is happening on the surface of a king-sized bed, floating in a sea of banana custard.

You are therefore thinking of the number 1.
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Your answer was not bad, I think (provided it was interpreted - this is very important).
 
Michel H said:
You have already participated in one of my "current" telepathy tests:

Your answer was not bad, I think (provided it was interpreted - this is very important).
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Interesting approach to avoiding the issue at hand... but thanks for highlighting my narrative brilliance. I think I deserve a retrospective nomination for a language reward, or at the very minimum a couple of slices of Vegemite toast.
 
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Michel H said:
Your own behavior in "my" telepathy threads shows a striking agreement with your forum name because you made a complete fool of yourself by explaining that you "lied" (as a moderator!). This is the "loss" aspect. But, on the other hand, you were a "leader" for a while because you gave such an (apparently) good and sincere answer in one of my tests
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How do you know it wasn't the other way around? That I was lying then but am being a leader by telling the truth now? After all, Loss comes before Leader so it makes sense that I would lie first and then tell the truth second. How do you adjust for that?


Actually, if I recollect correctly, you gave the correct answer in one of my tests not once, but twice, because you once had the very "clever" idea to start a test right after one of mine, using a target number based on my target, in order to get more hits.
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Um, I used a five digit number whereas you only used 1 through 4. I literally could not have used your number. It's impossible. People had to guess the exact digit and placement of a number from 10,000 to 99,999. And it generated by a random number generator.

I realize you're unable to see anything but evidence reinforcing your belief, but that's a darn weird place to look for agreement.

Also, I enjoy no protections as a mod. My behavior is judged on exactly the same scale as everyone else's.
 
Loss Leader said:
...Besides, my forum name is Loss Leader. Loss is a negative thing. It means that the leader (in this case the beginning of a magnetic computer tape) is lost and cannot be recovered. That's bad. My name suggests a lack of credibility.
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i don't believe you
 
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