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Merged General Holocaust denial discussion Part IV

Apparently you did indeed read things wrong but what else is new?

Strange how you decide it's all just "a pack of lies from the Jews," when there's considerable testimony and documentation from German and other non-Jewish sources.
 
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Saggy said:
Also, there is the matter of the weapons of war, real, and fictional, here we have real weapons of war, actual arrowheads from the Battle of Thermopylae, 480BCE

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but for phony weapons of war, i.e. the hoax 'gas vans' from 1940AD , there are no photos.
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As for photos of "Nazi gas vans" finding links to pictures took less than 5 seconds. If you can't find photos you really aren't looking.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2592346/nazi-war-criminal-alois-brunner-died-in-syria-basement/
 
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Dash80 said:
Strange how you decide it's all just "a pack of lies from the Jews," when there's considerable testimony and documentation from German and other non-Jewish sources.
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There is extensive testimony and documentation from German sources that this is the door into the krema 1 gas chamber ...

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and it is still be shown to visitors to Auschwitz as just that.

The entire holohoax is a pack of Jewish lies, without a shred of physical evidence. Like a fractal, absurd at face value, and as you look in more detail the absurdities multiply. As Butz said 'The "Holocaust" is such a gigantic fraud that it is a cornucopia of absurdities.'
 
Saggy said:
There is extensive testimony and documentation from German sources that this is the door into the krema 1 gas chamber ...

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/v4eaFPP.jpg?1[/qimg]

and it is still be shown to visitors to Auschwitz as just that.

The entire holohoax is a pack of Jewish lies, without a shred of physical evidence. Like a fractal, absurd at face value, and as you look in more detail the absurdities multiply. As Butz said The "Holocaust" is such a gigantic fraud that it is a cornucopia of absurdities.
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Anyone with at least two brain cells to rub together can see that is not an original gas-tight door from Krema 1. Neither does anyone actually claim it is, Krema 1 was converted in to an air raid shelter. The configuration of the building changed entirely, including interior walls and doorways.
 
The holohoax is has the distinction of being the only hoax were the preposterous lies were etched in stone .... then cast in brass .... here it is ......

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Then, 50 years after the fact, and after glasnost, the truth was revealed ....

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Saggy said:
The holohoax is has the distinction of being the only hoax were the preposterous lies were etched in stone .... then cast in brass .... here it is ......

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/VwKlHdW.jpg[/qimg]
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You've had your butt handed to you on this one before. Note it says PEOPLE, the (very wrong) Soviet estimate included Jews and non-Jews from all over Europe. Western historians in fact highly doubted those figures.

Then, 50 years after the fact, and after glasnost, the truth was revealed ....

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Deaths of REGISTERED inmates and not even a complete record. Jews killed immediately were not registered, their deaths were not recorded.

Lovely how you use such big fat volumes of death records to apologise for the Nazis. Nice touch, Saggy.
 
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Of course a discrepancy of 3,000,000 deaths requires an explanation, but that was no problem ....

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Saggy said:
Of course a discrepancy of 3,000,000 deaths requires an explanation, but that was no problem ....

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Actually it's very easy.

Since the Soviet 4 million is not exclusively Jewish your math fails.

They obviously took into account the huge number of Polish and Soviet civilians murdered by the Nazis, plus the more than 3 million Soviet POWS who died in German captivity. They got it wrong, and maybe understandably so given the enormous loss of life the Nazis caused.

All those murders and deaths were spread out across hundreds of camps and ghettos, but given that Auschwitz-Birkenau was KNOWN to be partly an extermination camp even before the war was over, how is it so ridiculous to assume a high percentage of those murders took place there?
 
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Dash80 said:
Actually it's very easy.

Since the Soviet 4 million is not exclusively Jewish your math fails.

They obviously took into account the huge number of Polish and Soviet civilians murdered by the Nazis, plus the more than 3 million Soviet POWS who died in German captivity. They got it wrong, and maybe understandably so given the enormous loss of life the Nazis caused.

All those murders and deaths were spread out across hundreds of camps and ghettos, but given that Auschwitz-Birkenau was KNOWN to be partly an extermination camp even before the war was over, how is it so ridiculous to assume a high percentage of those murders took place there?
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Hitler was also responsible for the death of 6,000,0000+ Germans too.
 
A denialist passes of his opinion as if it is authoritative and equal to actual evidence and then resort to repeating previously easily debunked claims. I think the latest tactic is to be very repetitive and boring.
 
Nessie said:
A denialist passes of his opinion
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This is not 'an opinion', this is the door to the krema1 gas chamber, presented to millions of visitors at Auschwitz, who, to my amazement, don't laugh in the face of the guides who tell them such idiocy ...

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Now, if anyone would like to verify that, they can take, along with David Cole, the standard Auschtwitz tour in the company of a tour guide ... and see for themselves ....

David Cole Interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper at Auschwitz and Exposes a Fraud

The vid includes an interview with the director of the Auschwitz museum who reveals that the hoax 'gas chamber' was constructed by the Soviets after the war.
 
Saggy said:
. . . or it's all just a pack of lies from the Jews.. . .
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Every document and most of the witness testimonies cited in Hans' piece IIRC are from German authorities, with a number of Polish witnesses also cited and I believe a single Jewish source. In your fantasy world, that single Jewish source transforms 100 or so German and Polish documents and testimonies into "a pack of lies from the Jews." You need a new refrain, Saggy: this dog don't hunt.
 
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LemmyCaution said:
Which members do you claim are hasbaras? What is your proof?
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An excellent question. The total duplicity and lack of shame for all posters supporting the hoax, coupled with the abject stupidity of many, convinces me that all are, shall we say, hoaxers. Are they trained hasbara, Jews, dupes ... there is no way to tell.

Or, are they just 'skeptics', which in the context of the ISF is one who expresses complete and unvarying skepticism to any questioning of the academic authority of the establishment. I think this may be a real personality type. Call this class C.

Hasbara - Class A.
Jews - Class B.
ISF skeptics - Class C
Rational data driven empiricists - Class D

It seems nearly every poster other than myself is in class A-C.

Rational discussion, any hint that the 'authority' is or even could be wrong, is completely missing.
 
Saggy said:
An excellent question. . . . there is no way to tell.
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Then stop lying about members of this forum and stop referring to members of this forum as hasbaras.

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It seems nearly every poster other than myself is in class A-C.
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Your refusal to deal with evidence and your willingness to repeat CTs do indeed put you into a class of your own, conspiraloon without class.
 
LemmyCaution said:
Every document and most of the witness testimonies cited in Hans' piece IIRC are from German authorities, with a number of Polish witnesses also cited and I believe a single Jewish source. In your fantasy world, that single Jewish source transforms 100 or so German and Polish documents and testimonies into "a pack of lies from the Jews." You need a new refrain, Saggy: this dog don't hunt.
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My refrain is there is no physical evidence for the hoax. No matter how many hoax witnesses, irrelevant documents, absurd narratives, etc., you produce. Six million murdered in gas chambers disguised as shower rooms in the best documented genocide in history, and yet there are no bodies, no murder weapons, i.e. gas chambers disguised as shower rooms, and no documents. That dog is DOA.

And the chorus? All the 'eyewitnesses' are pathological and degenerate liars. More examples to come.
 
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