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nurse cuffed by cop for not breaking law
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Well if you are apologising, that's OK
Stepping away cautiously from a rabid dog is just like apologizing to the poor creature. Right?
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I love how your theoretical concept of how it should go is presumed as exactly how it would play out, but if someone points out how your concept might theoretically go wrong, it's "an exercise in pure silliness."
Just because it mightn't work doesn't mean it shouldn't have been tried.
Cops should understand about bureaucracies
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There's a difference between assumptions based on years of hospital experience and you making some nonsense up based on nothing but the fact the cop was an ass.
But I don't care. I agree to disagree with you, hypothesize all you want.
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Cops SHOULD understand about patient's rights, too.
But apparently that is not sufficient, either.
Exactly so. When I was practicing (in Detroit) this scenario played out exactly as you describe - at least dozens of times to me.
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Look at it from the cop's viewpoint. He is the one supposed to be control of the situation. What he needs is a nurse (any nurse) to take him to the perp so HE (a licenced phlebotomist) can take a blood sample, and establishing a chain of evidence.
At the moment this nurse is refusing to do so. OK not helping, not quite obstructing. grey area, maybe he can intimidate her to cooperate.
House supervisor steps in, definite interference with a police officer performing his duty. Instant arrest of supervisor.
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No, just no.
Are you following the Oracle down the rabbit hole?
And what "perp"?
I don't know if the officer was on the scene, but I tracked down the dashcam vid of the highway crash.
Mr. Grey, the patient, is lucky he was driving a semi.
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No, just no.
Are you following the Oracle down the rabbit hole?
And what "perp"?
I don't know if the officer was on the scene, but I tracked down the dashcam vid of the highway crash.
Mr. Grey, the patient, is lucky he was driving a semi.
At the time the nurse was grabbed the SLCPD was responding to a Logan Police Dept request to get a blood sample to see if the victim had certain substances in his system.
Are you quibbling over a missing "suspected"?
I am confused as to the point you are seeking to make: you present this from "the cop's point of view." is this meant as an insight into (his) over-heated and malfunctioning brain? Because the cop's point of view as you present it is illegal, unprofessional, and crazy at multiple levels:
1. As pointed out already the truck driver was not a perp but a victim.
2. The nurse was not "not helping" nor border-line interfering with the legitimate actions of a LEO. Instead she was following the law and protecting the rights of her patient.. Police do not have a right to violate the law.
3.Indeed the cop might have arrested the supervisor too- this just would result in a larger payout in the later legal settlement by the city for false arrest.
4. The biggest problem was that the cop was not in control of himself let alone in control of the situation. He lost his temper and his self-control and was an embarrassment to his colleagues and his profession.
Perhaps that was your point- not that the cop's perspective was an understandable one, but rather you were just providing an insight into his indefensible actions?.
Have you not been following the thread or the case? There was no reason to suspect the truck driver of having any extraneous substances in his blood. His truck was hit into by the man attempting to elude arrest. The cop actually admitted to this when he noted they had no probable cause to present to a judge so as to obtain a warrant (i.e. the legal route to obtain a blood sample under the circumstances)..
As to quibbling about "suspected"- what was the truck driver even "suspected" of?
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Have you totally missed the fact the SLC police could not legally draw a sample, request or no request from another department?
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All my statements about the cop attitude and motives are drawn from the statements of Payne's superior Lieutenant James Tracy during his 10 minute harangue of the arrested nurse on the 20minute extended video of the incident
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NCJmLVHXRU
Even more clueless and arrogant than Payne. What a guy!
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No me missing any thing
"And I understand what your policy is. I'm trying to tell you what I need legally and your policy right now is contravening what I need legally...there's a very bad habit up here of your policy interfering with my law" Lieutenant James Tracy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm6Y3Rl9u1Q
Payne was only obeying orders. He whole department needs correcting.
Yes, although of course the cop should also have had enough nous to realise that he was demanding an illegal act. Which again reflects on recruitment and training in the department.
ETA, and there is the question about his suitability for the job given his reaction.
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Prosecutor asks FBI to investigate:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...osecutors-ask-fbi-to-help-investigate-police/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...osecutors-ask-fbi-to-help-investigate-police/