North Korea Launches a Missile

[BobTheCoward]

Rather strange contention for you, geography now has rights?

I also believe private individuals have a right to nuclear weapons. It is just an extension of the to freely say Kim can have the weapons and he is charge there.

 

[alfaniner]

South Korean officials said the latest test took place in Kilju County

Oddly appropriate, I'd say!

(meaning, in the sense of "killed you", nothing else)

 

[Sherkeu]

Kicked out for this? Countries have a sovereign right to develop weapons.

Of course not just for this in isolation. They should be kicked out for continually and excessively violating the foundational principles of the UN charter and thumbing their noses at important rules and resolutions.

These missiles and nuclear tests are not announced to their sovereign neighbors and are falling into another countries' sovereign territorial waters. Technically, they should not be happening at all since there is a long-standing ban.

They should not have a right to do that without expecting consequences. So far though, the consequences don't seem to have any 'teeth' to get them to adhere to even the most basic manners at the UN table.

 

[Vixen]

Of course not just for this in isolation. They should be kicked out for continually and excessively violating the foundational principles of the UN charter and thumbing their noses at important rules and resolutions.

These missiles and nuclear tests are not announced to their sovereign neighbors and are falling into another countries' sovereign territorial waters. Technically, they should not be happening at all since there is a long-standing ban.

They should not have a right to do that without expecting consequences. So far though, the consequences don't seem to have any 'teeth' to get them to adhere to even the most basic manners at the UN table.

The big fear for the US is the proximity to the US military base in Guam.

Anyone within range of North Korea must be feeling nervous.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Of course not just for this in isolation. They should be kicked out for continually and excessively violating the foundational principles of the UN charter and thumbing their noses at important rules and resolutions.

These missiles and nuclear tests are not announced to their sovereign neighbors and are falling into another countries' sovereign territorial waters. Technically, they should not be happening at all since there is a long-standing ban.

They should not have a right to do that without expecting consequences. So far though, the consequences don't seem to have any 'teeth' to get them to adhere to even the most basic manners at the UN table.

I'm sure there are some parts they are violating. But they are not violating the big non test ban treaty that covers this.

 

[Sherkeu]

I'm sure there are some parts they are violating. But they are not violating the big non test ban treaty that covers this.

They would be violating the "big" treaty if they had not pulled out of it. It doesnt make sense to say they aren't in violation to a treaty they no longer wish to follow. (and they didnt follow it even when they were party to it)

But they are a part of the U.N. which has banned them with repeated resolutions. The main one being:

October 14, 2006:
The UN Security Council adopts Resolution 1718. The measure demands that North Korea refrain from further nuclear tests and calls on Pyongyang to return to the six-party talks and abandon its nuclear weapons. It also imposes additional sanctions on commerce with Pyongyang, widening the range of prohibited transactions beyond those banned under Resolution 1695.

 

[BobTheCoward]

They would be violating the "big" treaty if they had not pulled out of it. It doesnt make sense to say they aren't in violation to a treaty they no longer wish to follow. (and they didnt follow it even when they were party to it)

But they are a part of the U.N. which has banned them with repeated resolutions. The main one being:

October 14, 2006:
The UN Security Council adopts Resolution 1718. The measure demands that North Korea refrain from further nuclear tests and calls on Pyongyang to return to the six-party talks and abandon its nuclear weapons. It also imposes additional sanctions on commerce with Pyongyang, widening the range of prohibited transactions beyond those banned under Resolution 1695.

Doesn't it make perfect sense to say they are not violating a treaty if they pull out of it?

 

[Darth Rotor]

News flash for Sherkeu: The UN isn't all that good at backing up its strongly worded memos unless certain parties either abstain or walk out.

 

[Sherkeu]

Doesn't it make perfect sense to say they are not violating a treaty if they pull out of it?

They do not have a seat at that table any longer. They do have one at the UN which has banned their nuclear testing.

Should they be able to ignore this UN ban without consequence?

 

[BobTheCoward]

They do not have a seat at that table any longer. They do have one at the UN which has banned their nuclear testing.

Should they be able to ignore this UN ban without consequence?

I have no position on what should happen as a consequence of the UN agreement. My interest stops at the test ban treaty.

 

[Sherkeu]

I have no position on what should happen as a consequence of the UN agreement. My interest stops at the test ban treaty.

You implied the UN should not kick them out for the nuclear test. ("kicked out for this?"). Now it seems you have switched having no opinion on what the UN does with North Korea in regards to their nuclear testing.

 

[BobTheCoward]

You implied the UN should not kick them out for the nuclear test. ("kicked out for this?"). Now it seems you have switched having no opinion on what the UN does with North Korea in regards to their nuclear testing.

Correct. Once it got to the test ban treaty it became several times more interesting to eclipse my interest in what the UN should do.

 

[Sherkeu]

News flash for Sherkeu: The UN isn't all that good at backing up its strongly worded memos unless certain parties either abstain or walk out.

Agree. Looking forward though, it will get more difficult for those countries to maintain status quo. There is a tipping point somewhere where allowing a relatively tiny country to hold the world hostage with intercontinental nuclear weapons is not worth shorter and shorter terms of stability.

From my limited perspective, they should all be totally fed up by now but behind the scenes it may be totally different.

 

[GlennB]

It doesn't inspire confidence that N Korea's missile broke in three on landing.

Is this normal?

Perfectly normal to break, except I'd expect far more fragments when a missile lands.

Or did you mix up 'landing' with 'launch' ?

 

[BobTheCoward]

If people quit doing business with them, would they launch the weapon? How would that get what they want?

 

[catsmate]

Patriots during the Gulf war had only marginal anti-ballistic capability, added as almost an afterthought, and successfuly intercepted about half of the missiles. This is a better success rate than North Korean ballistic missiles currently can manage.

The General Accounting Office disagrees. They put the successful intercept rate at ~9%. The Israelis put it at 3%.

 

[catsmate]

Somebody needs to talk about peace in our time.

Baldwin died seventy years ago.

 

[catsmate]

The big fear for the US is the proximity to the US military base in Guam.

Anyone within range of North Korea must be feeling nervous.

US coastal cities make better targets.

 

[Saggy]

The US has become totally insane ..... at the UN ...

US calls for UN to impose 'strongest possible' measures on North Korea


And she (US UN rep Nikki Haley) rejected as “insulting” a Chinese proposal for a freeze on North Korea’s nuclear and missile programs in exchange for a suspension of US-South Korean annual military drills.

“When a rogue regime has a nuclear weapon and an ICBM [intercontinental ballistic missile] pointed at you, you do not take steps to lower your guard. No one would do that. We certainly won’t,” she declared.

All this while the US is routinely flying nuclear-capable bombers on NK's borders ...

US flies bombers over South Korea in show of force

 

[marplots]

Is this the product of promoting gender-neutral STEM in a country that isn't as biased as the US?