New telepathy test, the sequel.

[Michel H]

Well, then you haven't met me.

After surgery, I developed a condition called ICU Psychosis. I heard voices that could not have existed (I believed that I heard a baby crying so desperately that I made my wife go check). I heard messages in the various beeping of the machines and heard people communicating with each other through my oxygen mask. I also watched an entire movie* that not only did not exist but the television I thought I watched it on didn't exist, either.

At the time, I was perfectly convinced of my own sanity and of the malicious intent of all those around me. I tried to choke my wife to death (but, since I was confined to my bed and as weak as a newborn, she just took a step back).

Luckily, ICU Psychosis is a temporary condition that fades when the patient gets normal sleep and sufficient non-monotonous stimulation. It's a strange position to be in. I remember things that could not have possibly been true, I remember believing them, and I know now that they didn't happen.

In my experience, the psychotic or schizophrenic person is the absolute worst judge of whether he or she is sick.


*The plot was that there was this young Indian man who would scam rich people out of their money by promising to put their daughters in a movie he was directing. Then, when he falls in love with one of his marks, he has to actually produce an entire Bollywood movie to stay near her.

Your brain was still pretty good in making movie plots .

Actually, I can understand, that, in really extreme situations (different from what Eleanor Longden explained), the brain stops functioning normally. But, even in such cases, it can be difficult for another person to separate truth from exaggeration.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Listen to this video (mentioned in post #770): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syjEN3peCJw , between 1:10 and 1:55.

Did you view it?

Eleanor Longden was diagnosed with schizophrenia. She admits to that. That's why she said she heard voices in her head.
https://www.ted.com/speakers/eleanor_longden

She simply suggested the specific voices she heard may have been interpreted as a subconscious survival strategy, but nevertheless she agrees she was suffering schizophrenia.

You hear voices in your head that tell you to kill yourself, which is the exact opposite to a subconscious survival strategy.

You really should get psychiatric help before you actually kill yourself.

 

[abaddon]

Your brain was still pretty good in making movie plots .

Actually, I can understand, that, in really extreme situations (different from what Eleanor Longden explained), the brain stops functioning normally. But, even in such cases, it can be difficult for another person to separate truth from exaggeration.

Mental illness is often an extreme situation.

 

[Michel H]

Mental illness is often an extreme situation.

Coming back to Ms. Longden (even if some people dislike this), she seemed in good shape when she gave her talk in 2013, obviously she was not in an Intensive Care Unit.

I think it is important for you (like for other members of this forum) to not constantly try to "medicalize", or try to impose a purely medical vision (we know what that entails) of what seems to be an exceptional ESP phenomenon. Or to try to push me towards various corrupt and fake "established institutions", which clearly are unable to deal with the problem alone.

Otherwise you run the risk becoming the "Donald Trump" of Skepticism, the "bogeyman of the world". I would hope this is not your deepest desire.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Coming back to Ms. Longden (even if some people dislike this), she seemed in good shape when she gave her talk in 2013, obviously she was not in an Intensive Care Unit.

This may well be because she'd learned to accept the truth that the voices she was hearing came not from some external source but from her own mental processes.

I think it is important for you (like for other members of this forum) to not constantly try to "medicalize", or try to impose a purely medical vision (we know what that entails) of what seems to be an exceptional ESP phenomenon. Or to try to push me towards various corrupt and fake "established institutions", which clearly are unable to deal with the problem alone.

Nobody's been trying to discuss diagnoses for some time now, and certainly nobody is trying to recommend specific medical treatments. What seems to me potentially beneficial to your mental health, though, if you are honestly reporting your experiences, would be firstly to assess the information as to your mental state and abilities objectively rather than attempting to force it to conform to your preferred explanation, and secondly to learn to accept the conclusions drawn objectively from that information. And I suspect your inability to do so also causes you to view as "corrupt and fake" any organization that attempts to help you to do so, including this one. Sadly, your exclusion of anything that disagrees with your opinions is what prevents you from accessing any help or progressing in this way.

Otherwise you run the risk becoming the "Donald Trump" of Skepticism, the "bogeyman of the world". I would hope this is not your deepest desire.

Donald Trump, it seems, is rapidly supplanting Hitler as the basis of a revised form of Godwin's Law.

Dave

 

[Loss Leader]

You hear voices in your head that tell you to kill yourself, which is the exact opposite to a subconscious survival strategy.

You really should get psychiatric help before you actually kill yourself.

Michel has been living with this condition for some time. He's 59 now. Although socially isolated and cut off from his family, he appears to be surviving. It's not a life to be envied, but his condition isn't preventing him from taking care of the basic requisites of life.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Michel has been living with this condition for some time. He's 59 now. Although socially isolated and cut off from his family, he appears to be surviving. It's not a life to be envied, but his condition isn't preventing him from taking care of the basic requisites of life.

Fair enough. It would seem that Michel H has stabilised over the last five years and his "internet quizzes" are an adopted activity, or ritual, to maintain this stability.

My father was a psychiatrist, fellow and censor for the Royal College (RANZCP). His view would have been "If they are not harming others and not harming themselves, then it's the patients own decision whether he wants to get better or not." I agree with that point of view.

However Michel H is annoying as he is claiming paranormal telepathy as part of his stabilising ritual, for his schizophrenia, which simply annoys skeptics.

 

[Hokulele]

Michel's claim doesn't annoy me, it is the complete and utter lack of scientific rigor demonstrated in his attempts to back up his claim that annoys me.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Michel's claim doesn't annoy me, it is the complete and utter lack of scientific rigor demonstrated in his attempts to back up his claim that annoys me.

Fair enough.

It is my gut feeling that, what any of us ask from Michel is irrelevant to Michel H. I think he posts here to justify to himself that he does not need to see a doctor. We are part of his stabilising ritual and that's all.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

When you put it like that, I think the best thing is to leave him to it rather than confront him over it. If he's not going to seek medical help then I'm going to leave him alone to cope in his own fashion.

 

[Craig4]

I am not a psychiatrist, I don't want to try to play one, so I must tread carefully.

I don't claim to know everything but, perhaps, I would be suspicious.

A known example of a voice-hearer is Eleanor Longden who gave a TED talk in 2013: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syjEN3peCJw .This was mentioned on this forum by Dan O. (who is no longer with us [banned]), in one of the telepathy threads that I began, a few years ago.

My default point of view regarding "schizophrenic voices" is that it is an entirely made up disease, non-existent and invented by patients and psychiatrists. This idea of "voices commenting the patient's action with a neutral voice" just doesn't make much sense to me, I just don't find it credible (but I don't claim to be an expert, I have not met many voice sufferers).

Deleted.

 

[Michel H]

Temporary MichelH holding thread

This post and its replies were originally made in another thread. They have been moved to a holding thread and then merged here. Do not discuss anything related to MichelH's telepathy tests and claims outside of this thread.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Loss Leader

Since this is a thread about telepathy (unless I misunderstood ), I can perhaps mention this:

Today, I started a new telepathy test on the French Yahoo Answers website: https://fr.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20170901091711AA7Qg7S . At about the same time, this ISF website went down (see the visitor messages of the International Skeptics facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/internationalskeptics/posts_to_page/ ).

The ISF was fixed within about an hour, but not for me! : I was redirected to a strange "searchingmagnified" website http://www.searchingmagnified.com/ and I had to use a proxy to access this forum. I can now access the forum normally.

 

[abaddon]

Since this is a thread about telepathy (unless I misunderstood ), I can perhaps mention this:

Today, I started a new telepathy test on the French Yahoo Answers website: https://fr.answers.yahoo.com/activity/questions .

That is a login page.

At about the same time, this ISF website went down (see the visitor messages of the International Skeptics facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/internationalskeptics/posts_to_page/ ).

That is an unrelated outage from months ago. Today's outage was brief. You only noticed it because you happened to check. You have no idea how long the outage started before you even checked.

The ISF was fixed within about an hour, but not for me! : I was redirected to a strange "searchingmagnified" website http://www.searchingmagnified.com/ and I had to use a proxy to access this forum. I can now access the forum normally.

It was a DNS issue and you do not understand how DNS works, else you would not ask or suggest such a stupid idea.

 

[Nay_Sayer]

Since this is a thread about telepathy (unless I misunderstood ), I can perhaps mention this:

Today, I started a new telepathy test on the French Yahoo Answers website: https://fr.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20170901091711AA7Qg7S . At about the same time, this ISF website went down (see the visitor messages of the International Skeptics facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/internationalskeptics/posts_to_page/ ).

The ISF was fixed within about an hour, but not for me! : I was redirected to a strange "searchingmagnified" website http://www.searchingmagnified.com/ and I had to use a proxy to access this forum. I can now access the forum normally.

The op hasn't set up a protocol yet, But it's nice to see you're still spamming the same failure elsewhere.

 

[Porpoise of Life]

Since this is a thread about telepathy (unless I misunderstood ), I can perhaps mention this:

Today, I started a new telepathy test on the French Yahoo Answers website: https://fr.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20170901091711AA7Qg7S . At about the same time, this ISF website went down (see the visitor messages of the International Skeptics facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/internationalskeptics/posts_to_page/ ).

The ISF was fixed within about an hour, but not for me! : I was redirected to a strange "searchingmagnified" website http://www.searchingmagnified.com/ and I had to use a proxy to access this forum. I can now access the forum normally.

Sure, the best explanation for temporarily not being able to reach a website is that you're secretly a wizard!

 

[Michel H]

That is a login page.

That is an unrelated outage from months ago. Today's outage was brief. You only noticed it because you happened to check. You have no idea how long the outage started before you even checked.

It was a DNS issue and you do not understand how DNS works, else you would not ask or suggest such a stupid idea.

That is a login page.

For you probably, yes. Here is the page of my new question: https://fr.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20170901091711AA7Qg7S

That is an unrelated outage from months ago. Today's outage was brief. You only noticed it because you happened to check. You have no idea how long the outage started before you even checked.

While I cannot know the exact time of the beginning of the outage, I can nevertheless try to estimate it by looking at people's postings on the internet (it seems that, even during the outage, some people could still access the forum using various methods: phone, TOR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network), use of the IP address http://104.131.54.4 ...)
July 30: date of my latest test on Yahoo
August 31 (yesterday): I decide it is probably time for me to do a new test.
Today 6:59 am GMT: gerdbonk first mentions the outage on the ISF: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=322650
8:48 am: Glenn Baron first mentions the outage on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/internationalskeptics/
9:20 am: I post my new test on Yahoo (without knowing about the outage here).

The outage seems to have lasted longer for me than for the other members, and seems to have been of a different, somewhat "ironic" nature ("searching magnified"), indicating that I was personally targeted, though in a limited way.

 

[StackOverflow]

...indicating that I was personally targeted...

You should talk to a doctor about this, he can help you.

 

[fagin]

Random stuff...
The outage seems to have lasted longer for me than for the other members, and seems to have been of a different, somewhat "ironic" nature ("searching magnified"), indicating that I was personally targeted, though in a limited way.

Ironic?

Please explain.

 

[Michel H]

Ironic?

Please explain.

The "ironic" nature (not a kind of irony I appreciate particularly, I should say) stems from the fact that, while I was blocked from accessing this forum (where I have tried to conduct some telepathy research in the past), I was redirected to a strange "searching magnified" website. This, to me, suggest that research is better off when I am prevented from doing it ("irony").

 

[abaddon]

For you probably, yes. Here is the page of my new question: https://fr.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20170901091711AA7Qg7S

While I cannot know the exact time of the beginning of the outage, I can nevertheless try to estimate it by looking at people's postings on the internet (it seems that, even during the outage, some people could still access the forum using various methods: phone, TOR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network), use of the IP address http://104.131.54.4 ...)
July 30: date of my latest test on Yahoo
August 31 (yesterday): I decide it is probably time for me to do a new test.
Today 6:59 am GMT: gerdbonk first mentions the outage on the ISF: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=322650
8:48 am: Glenn Baron first mentions the outage on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/internationalskeptics/
9:20 am: I post my new test on Yahoo (without knowing about the outage here).

The outage seems to have lasted longer for me than for the other members, and seems to have been of a different, somewhat "ironic" nature ("searching magnified"), indicating that I was personally targeted, though in a limited way.

No you are not special, that is what everyone affected got, not just you.