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I'm stunned that the majority of the population of the UK seem to failed to grasp that the free movement of people, finances and services is not a pick and mix affair. The choice is all three or none.
How can people not understand that?
Quite frankly, how *********** stupid does an individual have to be not to get that?
How can people not understand that?
Quite frankly, how *********** stupid does an individual have to be not to get that?
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Norway has 'picked and chosen'.
Northern Ireland looks to be doing the same with Southern Ireland (still in EU).
Trade is trade. They have goods we need, we have goods they seek after (British wool, the best in the world, for example).
Some guy was arrested smuggling Finnish cheese across the border to Russia, who in ts pique against sanctions banned imports from the EU.
However, the Russians love Finnish cheese so much, there is an active black market in it! Finnish diary product manufacturers have had to close plants and lay off staff, thanks to Eu/Russia sanctions hitting trade, and impacting on the local economy.
Not with respect to the "core" elements such as free movement of people or jurisdiction of the ECJ.
The parts that they have exemptions on (fishing and agricultural subsidy) they pay a significant financial price to secure.
Don't underestimate the bullying Germans.
Who won the war, after all.
Spoken like a true xenophobic Brexiteer dredging up racial sterotypes, events and attitudes that are decades out of date
That sounds exactly the way that the other party would describe it - not the wounded party attempting to assert their rights to get what they're due, but someone being unreasonable and obstructive.
OTOH the UK is like someone asking for a divorce but still demanding the right to live in the family home and have conjugal relations with the other party (whilst demanding the right to sleep around as well).
Who made that rule? Did I get the chance to vote on it?
The answers are: "The EU", and "No."
Anyway, we know that's the EU's current position, and that's why we're leaving.
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No, that's not right. The EU position on finances can be read here:
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sit...tial-principles-financial_settlement_en_2.pdf
It was clearly explained several times during the campaign, but the Leave campaign hand-waved it away and labelled it "project fear".
Ebay / Paypal: You can buy and sell things, and also transfer money to each other.
UK: Great!
Ebay / Paypal: Oh, and also you have to let people come and live in your house if they want to.
UK: Hmmm... Don't think we'll be using you after all.
UK: Great!
Ebay / Paypal: Oh, and also you have to let people come and live in your house if they want to.
UK: Hmmm... Don't think we'll be using you after all.
Vixen
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Spoken like a true xenophobic Brexiteer dredging up racial sterotypes, events and attitudes that are decades out of date
There are still people alive who remember what they did. On my way to work t'other day I passed a local road sign. The council has put up a list of the fallen dead in that particular street in 1918 /1919 during the Great War (WW1), 19 year olds, whose relatives might still live in the area.
Why should we forget?
I am far from xenophobic and not a Brexiteer. I can see why Finland joined the EU eagerly (look who's next door).
However, the EU's 'poor abandonned spouse' act doesn't impress.
We know that - it was the main reason the referendum was ever held in the first place - and it's the reason we voted to leave.
My point is that the "Free movement of people" was gradually slid in, by the EU, without our acceptance, long after we voted to join the "Common Market" which was all about free movement of goods (and services) but NOT people.
I was under the misapprehension that the Nazi regime in Germany had come to an end more than 70 years ago.
And ?
No-one is suggesting that the two world wars should be forgotten but the "who won the war" meme is a tired and hackneyed old piece of xenophobia. Today's Germany bears no resemblance to Hitler's Germany and to suggest that today's Germany should somehow have to continue to atone for past misdeeds is IMO ridiculous.
I think that your opinion that the EU is behaving like some kind of vengeful abandoned spouse speaks volumes about your point of view. To me it looks like the EU is behaving reasonably and it's the UK who wants all the benefits of marriage without any of the obligations.
Is it ?
We were assured at various times by various people in the Leave campaign that it wasn't all about immigration and instead it was all about opening huge vistas of economic opportunity post-Brexit.
....and anyone with a cursory understanding would have realised that they are inextricably linked.
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Its good to see that the Brexiteers seem to have finally given up pretending that the whole thing was about anything other than keeping out foreigners and enshrining England's status as a petty little isolationist hotbed of xenophobia and ignorance.
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Freedom of movement of people has been a goal of the European Community since its inception.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_for_workers_in_the_European_Union:
Yes, that has been expanded, but at the time of the UK's accession to the EEC in 1973 and at the time of the previous referendum in 1975, you knew that would happen.
Not just having the ability to keep unwanted European foreigners out, but also not having to kowtow to the European Court, and not having to pay over our membership fee to belong to the corrupt EU club.
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Not just. But mostly. Mostly this. Mostly wanting to keep foreigners out.
And not having to listen to them too. Or give them any money.
Foreigners bad.
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