Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories V: Five for Fighting

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RoboTimbo said:
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"Near" like "Slightly" are vagueries that (despite all other evidence) Micha Java believe can only have one meaning, and by golly, it is the one that suits him.

It's almost as though he can not stretch his imagination to concede that such vague words might also include his being plain wrong.
 
Tomtomkent said:
"Near" like "Slightly" are vagueries that (despite all other evidence) Micha Java believe can only have one meaning, and by golly, it is the one that suits him.

It's almost as though he can not stretch his imagination to concede that such vague words might also include his being plain wrong.
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I was questioning the significance of it. He's always been afraid to say. I just like to point out his cowering away from answering. Just once I'd like to see a CTist have the courage to answer.
 
MicahJava said:
You are either confused or are trying to confuse others. No medical staff or bystander who saw JFK's body ever made any statement supporting the cowlick entry theory, those who saw the entry wound say it was low in the back of the head, near the EOP. Even in Humes' final (coerced) HSCA testimony, they had to twist his arm a little, and afterwards he went right back to saying the wound he saw was near the EOP.
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I'm not confused.

1. Any medical staff or bystanders who saw JFKs body from the time it was placed on a stretcher COULD HAVE NOT HAVE SEEN THE BACK OF HIS HEAD UNLESS THEY LAID HIM ON HIS STOMACH.

2. Prove Humes was coerced. Prove it. I'll save you some time - he wasn't.

I think you're confused.
 
MicahJava said:
You are either confused or are trying to confuse others. No medical staff or bystander who saw JFK's body ever made any statement supporting the cowlick entry theory, those who saw the entry wound say it was low in the back of the head, near the EOP. Even in Humes' final (coerced) HSCA testimony, they had to twist his arm a little, and afterwards he went right back to saying the wound he saw was near the EOP.
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Why are you ignoring this question?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11972716&postcount=1388

Cite, and you still haven't answered my earlier question:

What's backspatter in relation to the JFK GSW?
 
Discussing the EOP wound with conspiracy theorists:

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Discussing the EOP wound with lone nutters:

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MicahJava said:
Discussing the EOP wound with conspiracy theorists:

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/IrR6CjJ.jpg[/qimg]

Discussing the EOP wound with lone nutters:

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/IRd9nm8.jpg[/qimg]
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Talk about delusions of grandeur, the cat that can't answer a question about the words he writes is comparing himself to Plato and Aristotle.

You make the baby Jesus cry.
 
Fetchez la vache!

Are you saying that JFK was actually hit by a cow catapulted from the Texas Schoolbook Depository, and all the pictures altered?

Somebody is going to be putting that up seriously by this time next year.

:blackcat:
 
Major Major said:
Are you saying that JFK was actually hit by a cow catapulted from the Texas Schoolbook Depository, and all the pictures altered?

Somebody is going to be putting that up seriously by this time next year.

:blackcat:
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One poster is seriously throwing the bull here, and we all know who started the Chicago fire, but I'm pretty sure that Bossy has an alibi for the assassination.
 
So anyway, I always wondered (didnt read up on it) what was the explanation for 'back and to the left' ?

'Not unusual' seems best guess for answer.
 
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Bubba said:
So anyway, I always wondered (didnt read up on it) what was the explanation for 'back and to the left' ?

'Not unusual' seems best guess for answer.
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A body will collapse according to what ever posture they were in at the moment of death, or will move as the result of whatever forces are acting upon it.

He was riding in a vehicle. His head moved accordingly to the movement of the vehicle - bullets don't knock people down as depicted in popular fiction.

 
BStrong said:
A body will collapse according to what ever posture they were in at the moment of death, or will move as the result of whatever forces are acting upon it.

He was riding in a vehicle. His head moved accordingly to the movement of the vehicle - bullets don't knock people down as depicted in popular fiction.

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A rigid back brace, and the visible mass of ejecta did not help.
 
MicahJava said:
Discussing the EOP wound with conspiracy theorists:

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/IrR6CjJ.jpg[/qimg]

Discussing the EOP wound with lone nutters:

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/IRd9nm8.jpg[/qimg]
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You actually call other people "Lone Nutters" and still claim the intellectual high ground?

Well, okee dokee then.
 
Tomtomkent said:
A rigid back brace, and the visible mass of ejecta did not help.
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I'd forgotten about the brace, so thanks!

Folks are just so conditioned by popular fiction to believe that there is an immediate dramatic reaction to a projectile impact that when they observe the real thing they can't reconcile reality with their conditioned expectation.

My father was still alive when Stone's movie was released. He alternated between laughing under his breath and whispering "********," but when they got the "back and to the left" nonsense he couldn't help but say ********! right out loud.

He had no regard for Garrison before the movie, and as hard as it might be to explain he had even less when we walked out of that theater.
 
BStrong said:
I'd forgotten about the brace, so thanks!

Folks are just so conditioned by popular fiction to believe that there is an immediate dramatic reaction to a projectile impact that when they observe the real thing they can't reconcile reality with their conditioned expectation.

My father was still alive when Stone's movie was released. He alternated between laughing under his breath and whispering "********," but when they got the "back and to the left" nonsense he couldn't help but say ********! right out loud.

He had no regard for Garrison before the movie, and as hard as it might be to explain he had even less when we walked out of that theater.
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What I didn't get about the logic of the movie:
If the conspiracy can silence David Ferrie, by somehow giving him a brain aneurism, (and there is no known viable method of inducing an aneurism that appears natural and leaves no other trace) why waste it on a schlub nobody would believe, who is only suspected because he was in the civil air patrol at a different time to LHO, (and a photograph of him with a bunch of kids, one of whom somebody mistook for LHO)?

Why not use the Amazing-Natural-Causes-O-Matic-Ray on JFK, instead of a spate of shootings that leaves not only JFK, but Tippit and LHO dead?
 
MicahJava said:
Discussing the EOP wound with lone nutters:

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/IRd9nm8.jpg[/qimg]
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So why do you act that way? Just lay out your theory and discuss the repercussions of your arguments rather than turning your head from anything you don't care to see or taste. We've already pointed out numerous examples of your propensity to ignore any evidence or arguments you don't care for.

Hank
 
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Tomtomkent said:
What I didn't get about the logic of the movie:
If the conspiracy can silence David Ferrie, by somehow giving him a brain aneurism, (and there is no known viable method of inducing an aneurism that appears natural and leaves no other trace) why waste it on a schlub nobody would believe, who is only suspected because he was in the civil air patrol at a different time to LHO, (and a photograph of him with a bunch of kids, one of whom somebody mistook for LHO)?

Why not use the Amazing-Natural-Causes-O-Matic-Ray on JFK, instead of a spate of shootings that leaves not only JFK, but Tippit and LHO dead?
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And how did this small conspiracy in the summer of 1963 in New Orleans supposedly involving three men (Ferrie, Oswald, and Clay Shaw) become a massive conspiracy involving almost the entire U.S. Intelligence Apparatus -- to the point where they are shooting JFK from multiple locations, planting a weapon in the Depository and a bullet in Parkland to frame Oswald, shooting Tippit to draw the police to Oswald in the theatre, creating fake photos of Oswald with the weapon, planting Oswald's fingerprints on the weapon, creating a fake paper trail to Oswald purchasing the weapon, lying about what the autopsy determined, altering the autopsy x-rays and autopsy photos, and altering JFK's body?

I mean, didn't Oliver Stone leave out a small step where we find out how and why the U.S. Government decided to back this small conspiracy (which was described by the eyewitness Perry Raymond Russo in the courtroom as having all the earmarks of a B.S. session - and he didn't mean Bachelors of Science).

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1276#relPageId=126&tab=page

So how does it suddenly become a conspiracy and cover-up everyone in the U.S. Government is willing to buy into?

Hank
 
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