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General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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Saggy said:
Errors? You want errors? .....

The signs at the gate of Auschwitz ... 1945 and 1990 ... from 4 million to 1.5 (and later 1) million killed ...


Einstein explains the math ....
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And? This has already been explained to you just a few pages back. Btw Hoess corroborates that 1.5 million figure in his testimony.
 
Saggy said:
Errors? You want errors? .....

The signs at the gate of Auschwitz ... 1945 and 1990 ... from 4 million to 1.5 (and later 1) million killed ...

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Einstein explains the math ....

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Show me where it says anything about Jews on that first plaque, Saggy.
 
Saggy said:
Unfortunately CE felt the need for a reset and bailed. I was actually enjoying discussing the book. The translation was one thing, and the differences were not great, but her interpretation of the text, that Goldmann supported a NWO based on merit and led by the most militaristically capable, was completely absurd.
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Are you a native German speaker, Saggy? Somehow I don't think so. I'll go with what the native says, thanx.
 
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Jeffk 1970 said:
Show me where it says anything about Jews on that first plaque, Saggy.
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Just as a follow up, show me where the Soviets mentioned Jews in connection to Auschwitz:

However, employing rectified coefficients for the part-time use of the crematorium ovens and for the periods when they stood empty, the technical expert commission has ascertained that during the period of time that the Auschwitz Camp existed the German butchers exterminated in this camp not less than 4 million citizens of the U.S.S.R., Poland, France, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria, Holland, Belgium, and other countries."
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http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/02-19-46.asp
 
Saggy said:
According to the native German speaker Childlike Empress Nahum Goldmann was arguing for a new world order based on merit, with the most militaristic, i.e. the Aryans, ruling. I wouldn't put too much stock in her translation.
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In other words all you can do is dismiss that which you cannot understand. CE's translation stands - it is quite clear you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
Hans said:
In other words all you can do is dismiss that which you cannot understand. CE's translation stands - it is quite clear you have no idea what you are talking about.
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No worries on this score, because "you don't need to know a thing."
 
abaddon said:
Really? Well let's just have a look see at what you have to offer.

Broken link.

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A whole 12M. Surely enough to sustain the entire middle east, right?

Two links to home sites neither of which say what you want them to say.

Broken link. Why it is that Germany wants to pay for a "Ho" remains a mystery. And germany is still paying because they wholesale butchered those sorry people as a matter of policy.

You seem confused. Is Israel paying or is the US paying or is Germany paying? Make up your mind.


At last, a working link. Still doesn't say what you want it to say.

Incoherent.
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By the way, Germany paid reparations to Israel for the survivors, not for the victims. Therefore, according to logic, if Israel would want to get more money from Germany they would need to increase the figures of survivors, not the figures of victims.
 
Degeneve said:
By the way, Germany paid reparations to Israel for the survivors, not for the victims. Therefore, according to logic, if Israel would want to get more money from Germany they would need to increase the figures of survivors, not the figures of victims.
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A good point and due to the tyranny of time the number of survivors would be dropping at a rapid pace now.
 
Saggy said:
Errors? You want errors? .....

The signs at the gate of Auschwitz ... 1945 and 1990 ... from 4 million to 1.5 (and later 1) million killed ...

[qimg]http://i.imgur.com/VwKlHdW.jpg[/qimg]

Einstein explains the math ....

[qimg]http://i.imgur.com/F4gmZ6P.jpg[/qimg]
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Which is due to the research that has continued and will continue for decades to come. Except in ONE KEY AREA - denialists refuse to research and produce evidence for millions more survivors of the Holocaust. So, again, starting with the c34,000 Dutch Jews sent to Sobibor and the Warsaw Jews sent to TII, produce evidence of mass survival. You have suggested that can be done with records of survivor compensation claims. Brilliant, you will be able to show c34,000 Dutch Jews claiming compensation for their time at Sobibor.
 
Nessie said:
Which is due to the research that has continued and will continue for decades to come. Except in ONE KEY AREA - denialists refuse to research and produce evidence for millions more survivors of the Holocaust. So, again, starting with the c34,000 Dutch Jews sent to Sobibor and the Warsaw Jews sent to TII, produce evidence of mass survival. You have suggested that can be done with records of survivor compensation claims. Brilliant, you will be able to show c34,000 Dutch Jews claiming compensation for their time at Sobibor.
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A good post but perhaps you should consult your latest Saggology101 book:

Most of the pages are blank or have fill-in-the-numbers-cartoons on them but at the back in appendix I there is one sentence, "Research"?
 
Nessie said:
you will be able to show c34,000 Dutch Jews claiming compensation for their time at Sobibor.
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Saggy, please pay attention to what Nessie has written. You are not asked to find one or two or some other small number of claims of Dutch Jews specifically concerning Sobibór - but about 34,000 such claims - the total number is important and please don't try to ignore it. For Warsaw Jews sent to Treblinka during the year 1942, you need to show us over a quarter million such claims. Another link to an irrelevant tangent or some general hysteria about hoaxing won't do: you're being asked for something quite precise.
 
Saggy said:
You don't need to know a thing. For example, on page 6 of the most widely read holohoax testimony, that of Elie Wiesel, Nobel Prize winner, first director of the USHMM, we read ....

"Babies were thrown in the air and the machine gunners used them as targets. "

It's prima facie absurd and degenerate propaganda. And, it carries the full authority of the USHMM, Yad Vashem, ever hoax academic, etc. And, that's just page 6, anyone who reads the book critically will know that the holocaust is a hoax.

Or, better yet, watch this vid to see what an absurd pack of lies the holohoax is ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acPfPG457cw&t=197s

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The fact that you assume anyone anywhere views Elie Wiesel as a historical source shows the sheer depth of your dilettantish grasp of this subject. he is an author of creative literary works, not a historian. Please try again.
 
Saggy said:
All I had to do was read the book and watch the vid.

Or, check out the urban dictionary definition of holohoax ...

"Within five minutes, any intelligent, open-minded person can be convinced that the Holocaust gassings of World War II are a profitable hoax, hence holohoax."
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Urban Dictionary???!??!??!??!?! Are you a Poe? I'm being serious here.
 
Saggy said:
Errors? You want errors? .....

The signs at the gate of Auschwitz ... 1945 and 1990 ... from 4 million to 1.5 (and later 1) million killed ...


Einstein explains the math ....
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The 4 million number was a rash and early estimate that was not corrected by the Polish authorities until the 1990's. However, historians as early as the late 40's and early 50's, as well as Hoess himself had already refuted that estimate. The 4 million total was not taken seriously anywhere at all. The fact that you post this old, debunked meme makes me wonder if your head is indeed broken. Is it?
 
Saggy said:
author: Roberto Muehlenkamp

No, you have to do better than that.
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Did Roberto *********** beat you at Baccarat? the man is a lawyer, and a highly talented amateur historian who could potentially write a book on this if he had the time. The fact that you fear him so much only adds weight to his credibility.

What is it? Is it the fact that he basically exposed MGK as laughingstocks? Was it his one sided beating of Jansson? Was it his exposure of Hannover? What is it about him that makes you tremble and shake?

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Saggy said:
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Right from the Soviet archives, ay ..... :) Published in 2008 ! Sure, that's legit ! Better late than never :D
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I am starting to think that you are a Rizoli brother. The fact that the source was not released until 2008 adds to its credibility - the fact that it was buried under a heap of paper and not produced with a flourish at the IMT shows that its authenticity is unassailable.
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Saggy said:
Nick Terry just posted, 1 day ago, that the question was 'crap'. Well, now it time for him to step up and provide the information.
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Richard Glazar described the use of draglines to dig mass graves at Treblinka II. This is corroborated by the testimony of numerous local Polish witnesses, reports from the Polish AK, and receipts from Christian Wirth's office showing the lease of draglines by HSSPF Lublin.

Deal with it.
 
Saggy said:
If you cannot describe and justify the testimony of one Jewish holohoax witness it is time to hang it up.
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I have done just that. The ball is in your court
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LeoMajor said:
I am starting to think that you are a Rizoli brother. The fact that the source was not released until 2008 adds to its credibility - the fact that it was buried under a heap of paper and not produced with a flourish at the IMT shows that its authenticity is unassailable.
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You don't believe it likely that (((they))) forged these documents in the '40s and saved them up for when they'd really be needed - 2008 about the time of Mr Albert Fish's first expedition to Auschwitz to slay the hoax?

I think Saggy has given up on these documents and on Žagare, just as he's given up on evidence and reason.
 
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Saggy said:
You've missed the big one .... most denialists on most boards are banned. On this Clayton Moore, Thunder, these are two that I found out by happenstance, maybe someone should make a list ..... :)
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There are clearcut rules here and they violated them. I myself have received a Yellow card here in the past. I might add that Clayton Moore, what with his absurd theories on Mischlinge in the Heer, was hardly erudite and your invocation of him does not aid your efforts in any substantial way.
 
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