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General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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Jeffk 1970 said:
:jaw-dropp

So, you don't feel the need to actually know a subject you are trying to debunk?

I just laughed so hard I thought for a moment I had stroke.

See, I miss out on things when I don't check in regularly.
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Indeed, to his complaint that "There is no sense trying to refute something that cannot even be googled" Saggy has now offered another Stundie-worthy "thought": "You don't need to know a thing."

As Hans is showing, with Saggy's posts we're left with reflexive, base-level anti-Semitism and no actual discussion of historical events, processes, or structures.
 
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Come on Saggy, proof of life please for the millions you claim survived.
 
LemmyCaution said:
As Hans is showing, with Saggy's posts we're left with reflexive, base-level anti-Semitism and no actual discussion of historical events, processes, or structures.
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Indeed, Saggy reminds me of one of those folks who sees a Youtube video on aliens building the pyramids and become a convert. They have no idea about the ancient Egyptian culture, archaeology and many other ology remain unknown to them. Yet they will scream at Egyptologist for 'hiding the truth'.
 
Nessie said:
Come on Saggy, proof of life please for the millions you claim survived.
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Google to the rescue ... they not only survived the war, they're still here and collecting a check courtesy of the ZOG.

Think about the astounding absurdity of this for one moment, we're paying reparations to the survivors of Germany's ethnic cleansing of Germany, while these same suvivors are ethnically cleansing Palestine and paying reparations to no one.

U.S. begins paying out reparations from France to Holocaust survivors ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...reparations...holocaust.../87b1de56-7abb-11e6-bd86...

Sep 15, 2016 - The State Department has paid or approved 90 claims for a total $11 million in reparations from France to former World War II prisoners who ...

Reparations? Obama approves Jewish Holocaust survivors getting ...
https://rollingout.com/.../obama-administration-earmarks-12-million-reparations-holo...

Oct 7, 2015 - Many European countries have paid victims of the Holocaust; at the top of the list is Germany, which paid over $90 billion in reparations.
For 60th Year, Germany Honors Duty to Pay Holocaust Victims - The ...
www.nytimes.com/.../for-60th-year-germany-honors-duty-to-pay-holocaust-victims.h...

Nov 17, 2012 - Germany's postwar reparations program has become such a matter of fact that many Germans are not even aware that their country, after ...

Obama administration earmarks $12M for Holocaust survivors | Jewish ...
www.jta.org/2015/.../obama-administration-earmarks-12m-for-holocaust-survivors

Oct 1, 2015 - Holocaust survivors attending an event at the U.S. Capitol building in Washington, D.C., honoring the victims of Nazi persecution, April 30, 2014 ...

International Center for Holocaust Reparations
www.centerforreparations.org/
Are you a child of a Holocaust survivor who was interned in a Ghetto? You may be entitled to a large sum of money!
Germany to Pay 772 Million Euros in Reparations to Holocaust ...
www.spiegel.de › English Site › Germany › The Holocaust

May 29, 2013 - The German government has committed to pay nearly 800 million euros for the care of elderly Holocaust survivors as a result of negotiations in ...

Why is Germany still paying reparations to Israel for the Holocaust ...
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Germany-still-paying-reparations-to-Israel-for-the-Ho...

It isn't. Also it didn't pay 89 billion dollars to Israel. That number is an estimated present value of the cash reparations Germany paid in total [1] - not counting, ...

Israel and Holocaust Reparations | Atlanta Jewish Times
atlantajewishtimes.timesofisrael.com/israel-holocaust-reparations/

Sep 21, 2016 - Israel and Holocaust Reparations. By Rich Walter and Ken Stein | Center for Israel Education The idea of the Jewish people being ...
 
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Saggy said:
Google to the rescue..........NOT
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...but you didn't answer the question. This money is for survivors and the descendants of those who died. The question for you is where are all these people you keep insisting were not killed.

You still keep running from that question - why?

Additionally you have a question to answer about a button - did you forget?

You have failed again in trying to change the subject.

By the way how many Arabs live in Israel as Israeli citizens? What percentage of the population? Do you even have a remote clue? lol
 
Saggy said:
Google to the rescue ... they not only survived the war, they're still here and collecting a check courtesy of the ZOG.
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Really? Well let's just have a look see at what you have to offer.

Saggy said:
U.S. begins paying out reparations from France to Holocaust survivors ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...reparations...holocaust.../87b1de56-7abb-11e6-bd86...
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Broken link.

Saggy said:
Sep 15, 2016 - The State Department has paid or approved 90 claims for a total $11 million in reparations from France to former World War II prisoners who ...

Reparations? Obama approves Jewish Holocaust survivors getting ...
https://rollingout.com/.../obama-administration-earmarks-12-million-reparations-holo...
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Broken link.

Saggy said:
Oct 7, 2015 - Many European countries have paid victims of the Holocaust; at the top of the list is Germany, which paid over $90 billion in reparations.
For 60th Year, Germany Honors Duty to Pay Holocaust Victims - The ...
www.nytimes.com/.../for-60th-year-germany-honors-duty-to-pay-holocaust-victims.h...
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Broken link.

Saggy said:
Nov 17, 2012 - Germany's postwar reparations program has become such a matter of fact that many Germans are not even aware that their country, after ...

Obama administration earmarks $12M for Holocaust survivors | Jewish ...
www.jta.org/2015/.../obama-administration-earmarks-12m-for-holocaust-survivors
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A whole 12M. Surely enough to sustain the entire middle east, right?

Saggy said:
Oct 1, 2015 - Holocaust survivors attending an event at the U.S. Capitol building in Washington, D.C., honoring the victims of Nazi persecution, April 30, 2014 ...

International Center for Holocaust Reparations
www.centerforreparations.org/
Are you a child of a Holocaust survivor who was interned in a Ghetto? You may be entitled to a large sum of money!
Germany to Pay 772 Million Euros in Reparations to Holocaust ...
www.spiegel.de › English Site › Germany › The Holocaust
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Two links to home sites neither of which say what you want them to say.

Saggy said:
May 29, 2013 - The German government has committed to pay nearly 800 million euros for the care of elderly Holocaust survivors as a result of negotiations in ...

Why is Germany still paying reparations to Israel for the Holocaust ...
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Germany-still-paying-reparations-to-Israel-for-the-Ho...
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Broken link. Why it is that Germany wants to pay for a "Ho" remains a mystery. And germany is still paying because they wholesale butchered those sorry people as a matter of policy.

Saggy said:
It isn't. Also it didn't pay 89 billion dollars to Israel. That number is an estimated present value of the cash reparations Germany paid in total [1] - not counting, ...
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You seem confused. Is Israel paying or is the US paying or is Germany paying? Make up your mind.

Saggy said:
Israel and Holocaust Reparations | Atlanta Jewish Times
atlantajewishtimes.timesofisrael.com/israel-holocaust-reparations/
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At last, a working link. Still doesn't say what you want it to say.

Saggy said:
Sep 21, 2016 - Israel and Holocaust Reparations. By Rich Walter and Ken Stein | Center for Israel Education The idea of the Jewish people being ...
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Incoherent.
 
abaddon said:
Really? Well let's just have a look see at what you have to offer.

Broken link.

Broken link.

Broken link.

A whole 12M. Surely enough to sustain the entire middle east, right?

Two links to home sites neither of which say what you want them to say.

Broken link. Why it is that Germany wants to pay for a "Ho" remains a mystery. And germany is still paying because they wholesale butchered those sorry people as a matter of policy.

You seem confused. Is Israel paying or is the US paying or is Germany paying? Make up your mind.


At last, a working link. Still doesn't say what you want it to say.

Incoherent.
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Yeah looks like he just cut and pasted from another source. He didn't even realize the links were broken- tsk tsk.
 
Oh for the scholars here Saggy is in another thread - and not doing well. It looks like he is using a bad 'translation' of a German document.

Unfortunately he has run into a native German speaker who has noted that his 'translation' is nothing of the sort.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11963555&postcount=33

Point in the thread the subject comes up:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11963578#post11963578

Childlike Empress says:

The difference is that mine is a translation while yours is not.

"must be condemned", "oppressed exploited masses. The masses must be induce to repudiate the concept of personal wealth and personal rights", "which superior ranks impose order on inferiors", "might is right", "new world order" - none of that has any basis in the paragraph. It's your interpretation and added "context" for your readers, not what the author writes.

In the whole passage is nothing about him seeing himself as part of a conspiracy. Maybe it's true in the broader context of the chapter or the book or his life etc, but it's not in the text. In addition to the added stuff you deceptively substituted f.e "unsere Zeit (our time)" with "our world revolution" more than once, and sold the result as "translation".
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Saggy said:
You don't need to know a thing. For example, on page 6 of the most widely read holohoax testimony, that of Elie Wiesel, Nobel Prize winner, first director of the USHMM, we read ....

"Babies were thrown in the air and the machine gunners used them as targets. "

It's primacie absurd
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Really? What about when Germans say it, Saggy?

I wrote this at Skeptics:

http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=27815

Sorry, Saggy, I know you can't comment there anymore. But this is what you get for thinking you don't need to know anything about it to claim it's a hoax.
 
Saggy said:
Google to the rescue ... they not only survived the war, they're still here and collecting a check courtesy of the ZOG.

Think about the astounding absurdity of this for one moment, we're paying reparations to the survivors of Germany's ethnic cleansing of Germany, while these same suvivors are ethnically cleansing Palestine and paying reparations to no one.

U.S. begins paying out reparations from France to Holocaust survivors ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...reparations...holocaust.../87b1de56-7abb-11e6-bd86...

Sep 15, 2016 - The State Department has paid or approved 90 claims for a total $11 million in reparations from France to former World War II prisoners who ...

Reparations? Obama approves Jewish Holocaust survivors getting ...
https://rollingout.com/.../obama-administration-earmarks-12-million-reparations-holo...

Oct 7, 2015 - Many European countries have paid victims of the Holocaust; at the top of the list is Germany, which paid over $90 billion in reparations.
For 60th Year, Germany Honors Duty to Pay Holocaust Victims - The ...
www.nytimes.com/.../for-60th-year-germany-honors-duty-to-pay-holocaust-victims.h...

Nov 17, 2012 - Germany's postwar reparations program has become such a matter of fact that many Germans are not even aware that their country, after ...

Obama administration earmarks $12M for Holocaust survivors | Jewish ...
www.jta.org/2015/.../obama-administration-earmarks-12m-for-holocaust-survivors

Oct 1, 2015 - Holocaust survivors attending an event at the U.S. Capitol building in Washington, D.C., honoring the victims of Nazi persecution, April 30, 2014 ...

International Center for Holocaust Reparations
www.centerforreparations.org/
Are you a child of a Holocaust survivor who was interned in a Ghetto? You may be entitled to a large sum of money!
Germany to Pay 772 Million Euros in Reparations to Holocaust ...
www.spiegel.de › English Site › Germany › The Holocaust

May 29, 2013 - The German government has committed to pay nearly 800 million euros for the care of elderly Holocaust survivors as a result of negotiations in ...

Why is Germany still paying reparations to Israel for the Holocaust ...
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Germany-still-paying-reparations-to-Israel-for-the-Ho...

It isn't. Also it didn't pay 89 billion dollars to Israel. That number is an estimated present value of the cash reparations Germany paid in total [1] - not counting, ...

Israel and Holocaust Reparations | Atlanta Jewish Times
atlantajewishtimes.timesofisrael.com/israel-holocaust-reparations/

Sep 21, 2016 - Israel and Holocaust Reparations. By Rich Walter and Ken Stein | Center for Israel Education The idea of the Jewish people being ...
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How many claimants are Dutch, who went to Sobibor? Or Poles sent from Warsaw to TII? Start there.
 
Jeffk 1970 said:
Really? What about when Germans say it, Saggy?
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Glad you asked. I'm working on a little primer and wanted to see what docs the USHMM had ... and lo ...

COMBATING HOLOHOAX DENIAL: EVIDENCE OF THE HOLOCAUST PRESENTED AT NUREMBERG

Get ready, this classic .... this is right on the page above .... the Hoess affidavit where he confesses to gassing 2 million Jews in 41-43. Some lies never grow old in holohoax land ....

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Hans said:
Oh for the scholars here Saggy is in another thread - and not doing well. It looks like he is using a bad 'translation' of a German document.

Unfortunately he has run into a native German speaker who has noted that his 'translation' is nothing of the sort.
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According to the native German speaker Childlike Empress Nahum Goldmann was arguing for a new world order based on merit, with the most militaristic, i.e. the Aryans, ruling. I wouldn't put too much stock in her translation.
 
Saggy said:
According to the native German speaker Childlike Empress Nahum Goldmann was arguing for a new world order based on merit, with the most militaristic, i.e. the Aryans, ruling. I wouldn't put too much stock in her translation.
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I'd put more stock in a translation by a native German speaker than what you use, i.e. Google Translate.

Google Translate is fine for short phrases, but it doesn't do whole paragraphs accurately because, despite what Google claim, it doesn't understand vernacular or context and cannot translate it correctly, only literally, word for word.

For example GT translates the word "panzerkampfwagen" as "armoured car" whereas the correct English translation is "tank". It translates "unterwasserboot" as "underwater boat", a literal translation into English would be "submarine"

Babelfish is better, but not much.
 
Saggy said:
According to the native German speaker Childlike Empress Nahum Goldmann was arguing for a new world order based on merit, with the most militaristic, i.e. the Aryans, ruling. I wouldn't put too much stock in her translation.
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Time for Fringe Reset, Saggy? The text doesn't say what you thought it did? That's because all Holocaust Deniers are to lazy to check what was originally written and keep linking to each others erroneous translations.
 
Saggy said:
Google to the rescue ... they not only survived the war, they're still here . . .
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So? Nessie asked about "the c34,000 Jews sent to Sobibor from Westerbork, prove their survival" - not people whose survival is known?!?!?

And I asked you earlier a similar question - to account for Warsaw Jews during 1942. And recently you've been dodging and squirming about Lithuanian Jews.

So tell us about the numbers of Dutch Jews who survived the war, Warsaw Jews who survived 1942, and Lithuanian Jews who survived, oh let's say 1941.

Not random links but evidence, specific to the question asked.
 
Elagabalus said:
Time for Fringe Reset, Saggy? The text doesn't say what you thought it did? That's because all Holocaust Deniers are to lazy to check what was originally written and keep linking to each others erroneous translations.
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Unfortunately CE felt the need for a reset and bailed. I was actually enjoying discussing the book. The translation was one thing, and the differences were not great, but her interpretation of the text, that Goldmann supported a NWO based on merit and led by the most militaristically capable, was completely absurd.
 
Saggy said:
Unfortunately CE felt the need for a reset and bailed. I was actually enjoying discussing the book. The translation was one thing, and the differences were not great, but her interpretation of the text, that Goldmann supported a NWO based on merit and led by the most militaristically capable, was completely absurd.
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Why? Get a proper translation of the book-not one done by CODOH or RODOH but by someone respectable and see what it says. You HDers have been so incestuous with your info that you keep repeating each others errors.
 
Elagabalus said:
you keep repeating each others errors.
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Errors? You want errors? .....

The signs at the gate of Auschwitz ... 1945 and 1990 ... from 4 million to 1.5 (and later 1) million killed ...

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Einstein explains the math ....

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