Ed Dueling protests spark state of emergency in Virginia.

[johnny karate]

Nazis believe white people are superior to black people, and that black people should be subjugated. Therefore, on the basis of that single belief, you feel confident saying that there are no good people among them. They've committed an unforgivable thought crime.

Nazis believe Jews are inferior. They committed the unforgivable crime of genocide.

Their thoughts on black people, or anything else really, become immaterial after that.

Muslims believe that men are superior to women, and that women should be subjugated. Therefore on the basis of that single belief... do you feel confident saying that there are no good people among them?

Unless you're willing to concede that every single Christian automatically believes all the worst aspects of Christianity simply by virtue of them being Christian, your argument about what all Muslims believe is absurd.

Again, comparing Nazis to al-Qaeda and ISIS is more accurate.

Plug that into your apologist calculus and see if it alters your results.

 

[johnny karate]

Are you really unaware of how weak this argument is? You're constructing a simplistic hypothetical situation in which the moral equivalence is obvious, then using it to justify your opinion of an entirely different situation.

Surely you can think of far better uses of your time and energy.

Yeah, apparently the genocide of six million people = killing a dog.

You've got to love that an argument being made to dispute a claim of false moral equivalency is itself a false moral equivalency.

 

[Emily's Cat]

And I am getting pretty tired of this terming the Calling out of Racism as "Virtue Signalling".

Yeah, no, you fail here. Calling out racism isn't virtue signalling. Shaming people for not calling out racism loudly enough and vehemently enough is virtue signaling. Demeaning people as being Nazi sympathizers and supporters for not being willing to sacrifice the equal rights of people you find deplorable is virtue signalling.

 

[johnny karate]

Curiously enough you have failed to actually cite my post where you claim I said that, in reviewing the earlier posts in this ridiculous discussion it appears blatantly obvious that you misrepresented what I said.

Because of course you did.

If you say so. I'm content to let my posts stand and let people draw their own conclusions about whether or not you're holding both sides to the same standard.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Nazis believe white people are superior to black people, and that black people should be subjugated. Therefore, on the basis of that single belief, you feel confident saying that there are no good people among them. They've committed an unforgivable thought crime.

Modern neo-Nazis willfully identify with a group that committed genocide with the goal of racial purity. Why is it when someone says, "You know, the Nazis had the right of it," you think it's obscene to look down upon them and judge them harshly for those thoughts?

 

[dudalb]

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[The Big Dog]

If you say so. I'm content to let my posts stand and let people draw their own conclusions about whether or not you're holding both sides to the same standard.

yup, you made it up, soup to nuts.

Now go call someone a Nazi for standing up for free expression

 

[Trebuchet]

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[The Big Dog]

The ignore function is a wonderful thing;very good when you are sick and tired of somebody who is playing stupid contrarian games because they think it makes them look edgy.

pointless post is pointless.

 

[johnny karate]

Shaming people for not calling out racism loudly enough and vehemently enough is virtue signaling. Demeaning people as being Nazi sympathizers and supporters for not being willing to sacrifice the equal rights of people you find deplorable is virtue signalling.

Oh no! Can we get some tissues for the poor souls who have been shamed and demeaned?

Here's the thing, when you vehemently attack people who oppose Nazis while having nothing critical to say about Nazis, it makes you look like a Nazi sympathizer. And if you go down that path, no one owes you the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Concern for me mounts when we have coordinated, violent attacks, especially with a named/branded group taking responsibility. The coherence of a group agenda (of the violent sort) makes me think of quorum sensing in bacteria. A low-level infection is common and we live with that sort of racism all the time. But if they get critical mass? Time to react strongly.

One or two "lone wolves" isn't more than background crazy as far as I can tell. Plus, there's no real way to suppress single actors with their own skewed agenda.

I'm less concerned that one of them rammed his car into counter protesters. After all there have been many more related attacks from shooting dead a group of people in a church to bombing abortion clinics.

But IMO, POTUS Trump is evidence that infection is pretty severe and has the potential to do a whole lot more damage.

 

[Emily's Cat]

No, you attacked SJWs and Muslims in a thread about Nazis killing people. It's not hard to understand.

Oh FFS! It's a thread about DUELING PROTESTS SPARK STATE OF EMERGENCY IN VIRGINIA!!!!!

It is NOT a thread about Nazis killing people. Holy hell - it was one guy, who seems to have been a racist. Not all racists are Nazis, and there was only one person responsible for the death.

Even if you're going to have an emotional outburst, at least *try* to stay moderately close to fact.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Calling out racism isn't virtue signalling.

Tony and sir drinks-a-lot would seem to disagree:

This is the first time someone has actually pressured me to virtue signal. I figured it would obvious (at least to rational people that weren't tripping on their own self righteousness) that I would be against the Nazis.

What we've really got here is a virtue signaling competition where a bunch of posters are trying to outdo each other on how quickly and on how little evidence they can determine that everyone else is a Nazi.

 

[sunmaster14]

The ignore function is usually the last refuge of somebody who is losing an argument and doesn't have the integrity to admit it.

 

[johnny karate]

yup, you made it up, soup to nuts.

If I made up the fact that you're not holding the two sides to the same standard, you should be able to quote all the posts in this thread in which you've done exactly that.

We'll all be holding our breath waiting for that to happen.

Now go call someone a Nazi for standing up for free expression

Your dedication to pretending that's what this is about for you is almost admirable.

 

[sunmaster14]

Oh no! Can we get some tissues for the poor souls who have been shamed and demeaned?

Here's the thing, when you vehemently attack people who oppose Nazis while having nothing critical to say about Nazis, it makes you look like a Nazi sympathizer. And if you go down that path, no one owes you the benefit of the doubt.

I hope this isn't a Rule 12 violation, but Emily's body of work has shown me that she is not, by any reasonable definition of the term, a Nazi sympathizer. I would literally stake my life on it.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I think we should always be concerned. But what are we talking about as a percentage of the population? Especially in the US? I'd be willing to bet that the number amounts to less than 1%.

To repeat my above post for emphasis, the election of POTUS Trump suggests the problem is much bigger than some people are estimating.

I agree. I think a non-violent form of protest or outright ignoring them is the best course. How much publicity did they get off this incident?

The news media loves a brawl.

 

[Emily's Cat]

He said that there were good people on both sides.


THERE ARE NO GOOD PEOPLE ON THE NAZI SIDE.

Although dudalb would argue that his (grand?)father made some good Nazis.

NOT EVERY PERSON AT THAT RALLY WAS A NAZI

 

[Oystein]

Nazis believe white people are superior to black people, and that black people should be subjugated. Therefore, on the basis of that single belief, you feel confident saying that there are no good people among them. They've committed an unforgivable thought crime.

Muslims believe that men are superior to women, and that women should be subjugated. Therefore on the basis of that single belief... do you feel confident saying that there are no good people among them?

First the straight answer: Yes - there are no good people among them.

Now the caveats:
You of course simplified both Naziism and Islam invalidly. The most obvious being that many muslims no longer hold that belief in quite the same way that Nazis hold their racial beliefs.
The second important difference is that racial discrimination is at the core and center of Nazi belief, but that female discrimination is not core and center for most muslims.
The third important difference is that muslims do not seek to eliminate, by murder or deportation, women from their society, as Nazis wish to do with Jews and blacks.
I know not too many muslims personally , which is a function of my geography, personal interests and vita, and I recognize that the muslims I do know personally are not a representative sample for muslims in my country or worldwide. But I mostly see that women are treated with respect and love and defended and held up on a pedestal. They receive in reality a treatent vastly better than what Nazis have in store for Jews and blacks.

And you know all that, don't you.

Having said all that, I certainly call Mohammed's revelations a sexist pile of lying ****, and all the muslims following those islamic laws that suppress women are bad people for it.
Coincidentally, President Trump thinks there are very fine people among the Wahhabist male chauvinist pig scum of Saudi Arabia.

 

[Tony]

Modern neo-Nazis willfully identify with a group that committed genocide with the goal of racial purity.

Because genocide is only bad when the goal is racial purity.