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xjx388 said:
I was wide awake, I just wasn't wearing my fearmongering hat. I did hear the President condemn the violence and the murderer.

Look, I get it. You see Trump and his supporters as the vanguard of a New White Order. Everything you see is going to be colored by that. I just don't agree with your assessment.

Again, the USA in 2017 is not 1920s Germany. We are a multicultural melting pot where the views of the WS/NN are a tiny minority. You'll need to provide a cite for this timeline.

Oh, you mean the fascism that will likely never be a politically viable force in US Politics? There aren't enough of them to carry out their plans. Hell, whites won't even be a majority in the US much longer -which is what pisses these people off more than anything else. And then again, we are talking about a small minority of white people with these hateful views.

I understand that this small minority of people have fascist views and we need to watch out for that. But let's also not blow their political influence out of proportion.
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You really, really need to read more about 1920s Germany and how the Nazis took over power. Honestly! You might not feel so confident.

Plus what makes you think the Nazis, KKK, and other white supremacists need to fully take over political power at the national level, or even at the State level to be a hideous danger? Do you think that they never killed, tortured, or terrorized people in the USA up until now without controlling the Federal government?

Are you really "Oh don't worry. He's just a small bear. And skinny. He couldn't bite me even if he tried, ha ha." I've seen the aftermath in embarrassing youtube videos. I don't recommend it: it involves a lot of reconstructive surgery.
 
dudalb said:
Sorry, but a President of the United States defending violent Racist is cause for concern.
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Okay, present to me what the President said that defended violent racists:

And, frankly, your side is no better. For you guys there is always a whiff of Russia in 1918 in the air, and the Commies are always coming........
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Yes, and those people are dolts. See? I recognize that the base on both sides caricature the other side, and I'm not duped by either of them. You're not just drinking the Kool-Aid, but insisting that everybody else have a sip.

Anyway,I get a feelng you would support anything Trump says and does just so long as you get your goddamn tax cut.
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Trump has said and done some foolish things. I would love to see him get rid of Twitter. But I also see a rabid media out to get him and 75% of all Democrats supporting impeachment, despite the manifestly obvious fact that he has committed no high crimes or misdemeanors.

As I have often observed, the party in power grows arrogant; the party out of power goes insane. This time the meter seems pinned on both sides.
 
uke2se said:
That's not clear to me. Nor is it clear to the Nazis. They took his words as support, and that, really, is what matters.
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It was very clear to the Nazis- and as you say they consider his words (and lack of other words) a clear sign of support.
 
xjx388 said:
I don't see it that way. He condemned them. That he also condemned Antifa does not diminish that; one can condemn two opposing sides in a fight without tacitly supporting any of them. It was clear to me that he is against the Nazis AND Antifa.
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Really? Because that seems to put you in a distinct minority. Everything Trump has done since Tuesday has been aimed at diluting

I will always stand up against the Nazis. If they were to march through my neck of the woods, you can be sure that I will be there in non-violent protest. If a NN/WS should ever run for a political office, I will be there to support whoever is against -screw party affiliations. But we are nowhere near that level right now. Like I said, they are a tiny minority and there's a hell of a lot more of us than there are of them.
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So you voted for Clinton then?

That is not their only feature. They are represented a wide range of ideologies and you can't pigeonhole them into a solitary "Nazi Fighter" category.
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No they also include those against mindlessly banning the transgendered from the military and against treating all Muslims as terrorists and all Mexican as drug dealers, bunch of commie wackos!:rolleyes:
 
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Brainster said:
Okay, present to me what the President said that defended violent racists:



Yes, and those people are dolts. See? I recognize that the base on both sides caricature the other side, and I'm not duped by either of them. You're not just drinking the Kool-Aid, but insisting that everybody else have a sip.



Trump has said and done some foolish things. I would love to see him get rid of Twitter. But I also see a rabid media out to get him and 75% of all Democrats supporting impeachment, despite the manifestly obvious fact that he has committed no high crimes or misdemeanors.

As I have often observed, the party in power grows arrogant; the party out of power goes insane. This time the meter seems pinned on both sides.
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Bothsideism again. You really need to change the record.

Are you unable to condemn the Nazi murderers of Charlottesville without having to impulsively condemn some leftist boogie man in the next breath? Your president couldn't. Are you no better than him?
 
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xjx388 said:
I don't see it that way. He condemned them. That he also condemned Antifa does not diminish that; one can condemn two opposing sides in a fight without tacitly supporting any of them. It was clear to me that he is against the Nazis AND Antifa.
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He said that there were good people on both sides.


THERE ARE NO GOOD PEOPLE ON THE NAZI SIDE.

Although dudalb would argue that his (grand?)father made some good Nazis.
 
Tony said:
We've seen this before. Although it is usually the SJWs making the "don't say mean things" case. It usually goes like this:
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The difference of course being that I was referring to something that a real person actually said, and you weren't.

But hey, don't let a pesky thing like reality or facts stop you from posting these devastating burns.
 
sunmaster14 said:
Your links appear to support my understanding that the counter protesters tried to disrupt the rally, and some did so violently. Even linking arms and passively blocking rally goers from getting to their rally is unacceptable in my view.
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Yeah, that does not make them seem good at all, and then saying that Antifa with their weapons came and rescued them? ridiculous.
 
The Big Dog said:
Oh well, as we already knew, when the ACLU stood up for free speech in Skokie they were bitterly criticized too.

As such, what is the point of posts like this, where it does not in the slightest bit contradict anything I have said and is just a blatant attempt to smear me and personalize the argument?
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I'm just pointing out that reality does not bear out your claim of being equally critical of both sides. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
 
johnny karate said:
The difference of course being that I was referring to something that a real person actually said, and you weren't.

But hey, don't let a pesky thing like reality or facts stop you from posting these devastating burns.
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But I thought SJW was a real person- I've heard so very much about her from the conservatives in this Forum! What was her name again? Sarah Jane Welsh? Susan Jesse Wilson? Strawman Jeerat Whippingboy?
 
johnny karate said:
I'm just pointing out that reality does not bear out your claim of being equally critical of both sides. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
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Curiously enough you have failed to actually cite my post where you claim I said that, in reviewing the earlier posts in this ridiculous discussion it appears blatantly obvious that you misrepresented what I said.

Because of course you did.
 
xjx388 said:
What fascism are they stopping, exactly? We are in no danger of having the NN/WS take over the government and establish a nationalist authoritarian rule.

Do we really need to stand up to the Nazis in the way that antifa does? Couldn't we just 1)Ignore them since they are a small group and have no political clout or 2)Protest them through non-violent means?

I keep hearing about how antifa is "fighting fascism" but then I have to ask: what fascism?
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There are thousands of them around the US (and around the world) who have been feeding in the social media echo chamber for years. Now that there is a crowd of them in the White House, a couple hundred came out of their basements and held a public rally that was more than just a handful of locals or an impromptu show of arms over a public lands row.

At what point should we be concerned?


For the record, I think a militant response is the least effective means of addressing these idiots.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
At what point should we be concerned?
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Concern for me mounts when we have coordinated, violent attacks, especially with a named/branded group taking responsibility. The coherence of a group agenda (of the violent sort) makes me think of quorum sensing in bacteria. A low-level infection is common and we live with that sort of racism all the time. But if they get critical mass? Time to react strongly.

One or two "lone wolves" isn't more than background crazy as far as I can tell. Plus, there's no real way to suppress single actors with their own skewed agenda.
 
dudalb said:
God, some people just don't get why Nazism is considered the epitome of evil. They are either incredibly ignorant, are rightwingers who don't want to see the evil that the right is capable of (and I readily admit there are people on the left who are the same way) or is just trying way too hard to be edgy.
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Or just believe every individual should be able to spew their garbage.
 
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He's right, He also failed to mention they both fought to defend the systematic oppression and slaughter of a minority in common as well.
 
Stacko said:
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He's right, He also failed to mention they both fought to defend the systematic oppression and slaughter of a minority in common as well.
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Because that doesn't really matter when discussing in the context of military strategy.
 
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