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johnny karate said:
What was silly? You comparing someone punching a Nazi to the Soviet Union executing Polish nationals? Or you thinking the Soviet Union was a part of the Allied Forces in 1940?

Trick question. They're both equally silly.


The anti-Nazi protestors in Charlottesville were raping the Nazis they were protesting against?

Also, good job. You finally got the timeline correct. You must have learned it by looking at a statute, because apparently that's the only way we preserve history.
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Your assertion was: "Reminds me of those "hate-filled" Allied troops during WWII." I felt it important to remind you of those hate filled Allied troops, particularly those closest in style and ideology to the Antifa, the Soviets.

Although I got to hand it to you, it never occurred to me that you would go for the "they were not Allies at that time" specious objection, because, wow.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
I don't think there is or need be an exact cutoff. What dates do you think are relevant to your conclusions that "right now the hard right is a bigger threat"?
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Let us pick 2000 and this article

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/14...ng-threat-from-white-supremacists-months-ago/

The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security in May warned that white supremacist groups had already carried out more attacks than any other domestic extremist group over the past 16 years and were likely to carry out more attacks over the next year, according to an intelligence bulletin obtained by Foreign Policy.
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Anything more you would like to add?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...ty-lessons-michael-chertoff-column/573296001/

Many of the neo-Nazi, white supremacist and other "alt-right" groups that marched deliberately spout hateful, racist and violent rhetoric and thrive on provocation. It's not just talk. Although not receiving the media and political attention directed at radical Islamist terror attacks in the USA and Europe, over the past year there has been a notable rise in extreme right violence directed at Muslims and other minorities, including the recent bombing of a mosque in a suburb of Minneapolis. Indeed, from 2000 to last year, white supremacists carried out 26 domestic attacks, causing 49 deaths.
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Want more? Same article:
And such demonstrators often come prepared for violence at demonstrations, as do their anarchist counterparts on the left.
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sunmaster14 said:
Here's the fundamental difference. Neo-Nazis may dislike me or distrust me for being Jewish, but they know that it is illegal to attack me physically, and they may even feel it is morally wrong unless I "start" something.
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I'm actually surprised you even attempt this considering what happened this past weekend. You are aware that a neo-Nazi intentionally drove his vehicle into a crowd of people, killing one, without any regard for whether they were Jewish or not, right?

It seems at least he didn't get your memo...
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
I'm actually surprised you even attempt this considering what happened this past weekend. You are aware that a neo-Nazi intentionally drove his vehicle into a crowd of people, killing one, without any regard for whether they were Jewish or not, right?

It seems at least he didn't get your memo...
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The opinions of Dear Leader must be defended at all costs.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
OK. What was their methodology? What counts as an attack? What were the numbers for left wing groups like antics, or do they not count as a domestic extremist group? Etc, etc.
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Yes, I know! The FBI and DHS are the deep state and they can't be trusted. Which places you in the fringe and crackpot right.
Give it up. I gave you the numbers and you don't trust them.

So your claim is that the left murdered more than 49 people over the last 16 years, but that the FBI and DHS lied about that, is that it?
 
sunmaster14 said:
Obviously, it's fodder for a different thread, but he has been good on removing burdensome regulations, good on legal immigration (I like his new policy to prioritize people who are likely to add to our standard of living rather than detract from it), good on illegal immigration (down dramatically just from his jawboning), and generally good on foreign policy. Most of his accomplishments have gone unnoticed. He escalated Operation Inherent Resolve and expanded its focus to include bombing Iranian-backed Shia groups, and he sent an aircraft carrier to Haifa, Israel to dissuade Russia, Iran and Hezbollah from stirring up trouble on the Israeli border. He has begun arming Syrian Kurds, despite the fact that our backstabbing "ally" Turkey objects. His handling of North Korea is going pretty well. I think he has decided on a strategy to ratchet up the tension and keep North Korea's military on alert, which will drain their meager resources. And in the main, he seems to have credibility when it comes to threatening military force, unlike his predecessor.
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You think that's Trump?
 
The Big Dog said:
Your assertion was: "Reminds me of those "hate-filled" Allied troops during WWII." I felt it important to remind you of those hate filled Allied troops, particularly those closest in style and ideology to the Antifa, the Soviets.
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What reminded me of the Allied troops was people fighting Nazis, not murdering people (that's what the Nazis you're defending did) or raping women. Nice try, though.

Although I got to hand it to you, it never occurred to me that you would go for the "they were not Allies at that time" specious objection, because, wow.
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I'm sorry if an adherence to the facts offends you.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
OK. What was their methodology? What counts as an attack? What were the numbers for left wing groups like antics, or do they not count as a domestic extremist group? Etc, etc.
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Same questions to you for the data you have yet to provide to backup your assertion.
 
mgidm86 said:
I'm gonna agree with Sir-drinks-a-lot that the article listing Trumps history of racism is pretty weak. Did anybody actually read it?

example:


That's not a very accurate description of what happened. Follow the writers own link and read it in context. He was not familiar with the story when asked about it. And does this automatically mean it's racist?

There are a few iffy quotes, and many accusations that if true are pretty damning. But there's no evidence for most of it.

I won't say Donald isn't prejudice or even racist. He may very well be. I really have no way of knowing his true feelings. Just saying that the article makes a weak case. It does make a case, just not enough for me to label him a racist.

Go ahead, call me a Trump supporter. I'm not, I just don't like progressives and am annoyed by a lot of liberals. This article may be enough to paint him an absolute racist to some people, it just isn't for me.
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I agree. I am indeed a Trump supporter, and I still am. I hate Neo-Nazis, white supremacists and all those sleazeballs, but if the counter-protestors show up with baseball bats and start trying to physically kill the Neo-Nazis, then they have lost ALL of the "moral high ground" that they once had. Physical violence is much worse than hate speech. You know it and I know it.

Trump is right in what he said.
 
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A Trump Supporter tried to heckle the mother of the Women Killed on Saturday at the Funeral.
So now the TrumpTurds as stealing from the Westboro Baptisht Church. Nice.
 
easycruise said:
I agree. I am indeed a Trump supporter, and I still am. I hate Neo-Nazis, white supremacists and all those sleazeballs, but if the counter-protestors show up with baseball bats and start trying to physically kill the Neo-Nazis, then they have lost ALL of the "moral high ground" that they once had. Physical violence is much worse than hate speech. You know it and I know it.

Trump is right in what he said.
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That's a pretty strong opinion based on something you admit to being ignorant of.

...and start trying to physically kill the Neo-Nazis...
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Hell of an assumption, that the counter-protesters "started it", especially with such extreme measures. That's not an interpretation of events that I have seen evidence to support.
 
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jimbob said:
No, that is the *intent*. It is utopian:

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

The reality is that it is inherently authoritarian - someone has to decide who needs what, and how much they can contribute, and that someone tends to decide that they need more luxuries than other people, so if falls down on many levels.

A system that lacks the checks and balances of a liberal democracy, where the governed can alter their government is unstable and relies on the goodwill and competence of the rulers. As a result, communism will veer towards totalitarianism. However, if you ignore practicality, it is at least aiming for elimination of poverty and inequality.
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One of the problems here is that you seem to think that statement is utopian. I don't - I think it's dystopian.
 
dudalb said:
A Trump Supporter tried to heckle the mother of the Women Killed on Saturday at the Funeral.
So now the TrumpTurds as stealing from the Westboro Baptisht Church. Nice.
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But you don't mention that the tweet from the Mother to Donald Trump himself. Interesting bias you have there!

""“Thank you, President Trump, for those words of comfort and for denouncing those who promote violence and hatred,” Susan Bro, mother of Heather Heyer, said in a statement shortly after Mr. Trump belatedly called out white supremacists and other hate groups during a press conference Monday afternoon. “My condolences, also, to the grieving families of the two state troopers and quick recovery for those injured,” Ms. Bro said.""

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/15/heather-heyers-mother-thanks-donald-trump-for-word/
 
easycruise said:
But you don't mention that the tweet from the Mother to Donald Trump himself. Interesting bias you have there!

""“Thank you, President Trump, for those words of comfort and for denouncing those who promote violence and hatred,” Susan Bro, mother of Heather Heyer, said in a statement shortly after Mr. Trump belatedly called out white supremacists and other hate groups during a press conference Monday afternoon. “My condolences, also, to the grieving families of the two state troopers and quick recovery for those injured,” Ms. Bro said.""

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/15/heather-heyers-mother-thanks-donald-trump-for-word/
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That was before the Tuesday News COnference.

But be a good little Trumpet and always obey and praise Dear Leader.
If you have not noted a good many conservatives have turned on Trump over this. The terms "Morally unfit to be President" was used by several.
 
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