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Ed Dueling protests spark state of emergency in Virginia.

Skeptic Tank said:
Lol at someone calling antifa real American patriots!

They routinely burn the American flag and believe the whole American nation is rotten to the core and needs to be destroyed and replaced with communism. They are violent Bolshevik terrorists and infinitely worse than white nationalists.
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Ah- I've been waiting for you to join this thread! No doubt your arguments will highlight the moral superiority of the white supremacists and help support Trump's position.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Taking Nazi symbolism without adopting some of the most significant details does not make one a Nazi.
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you to type out that their economic views are their defining characteristics, and not say, the murder of 6,000,000 Jews?

In case you're wondering, that's pretty much how that reads.
 
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Giordano said:
Most? I trust you've done a scientific poll on this quantification. But whatever the precise numbers the antifa is a heterogenous group largely unified by the goal to oppose white supremacists and racism. In this particular goal they are much closer to being "Real Americas" than the Nazis, KKK, and their supporters. Certainly the antifa includes anarchists and Marxists. Yet these two groups clearly are not unified in terms of their views of the correct form of government. Plus the many more members with yet other views. And does advocating changes in the economic system of the USA itself make you not a "Real American?" The only "Real Americans" are capitalists?
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You might want to take up the real american nonsense with the person who brought it up in the first place.

But yeah, for the most part Antifa are anarchists and communists, particularly the violent Black bloc scum, like Professor Bikelock in Berkely.
 
BobTheCoward said:
I certainly don't like the accusation I'm not a real American for my economic views.
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I've argued against your economic views multiple times, but I agree with you fully here- you are a Real American. It has been a good week- we've agree on several points in this thread.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Well I'm not one of them. With so many mass shootings, people carrying assault weapons around scare me.
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Here there are restrictions on what kind of signs you can carry in a protest to prevent clubs used as supports for protest signs. So I don't see why additional restrictions on protests and weapons is so out there.
 
Giordano said:
Most? I trust you've done a scientific poll on this quantification. But whatever the precise numbers the antifa is a heterogenous group largely unified by the goal to oppose white supremacists and racism. In this particular goal they are much closer to being "Real Americas" than the Nazis, KKK, and their supporters. Certainly the antifa includes anarchists and Marxists. Yet these two groups clearly are not unified in terms of their views of the correct form of government. Plus the many more members with yet other views. And does advocating changes in the economic system of the USA itself make you not a "Real American?" The only "Real Americans" are capitalists?
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You could argue that calling for the abolition of nations such as the USA would be inconsistent with being considered a "Real American". And such internationalism is common to both anarchists and marxists, who make up the bulk of antifa.
 
NoahFence said:
So on the off chance that your brain is functioning while typing that, did it really tell you to type out that their economic views are their defining characteristics, and not say, the murder of 6,000,000 Jews?

In case you're wondering, that's pretty much how that reads.
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Not that one is more important, but that they are equally defining characteristics. What separates the nazis from other genocidal regimes is not their victims not their symbolism. Nazi fascism is a specific thing where genocidal ethnocentrism is one part.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Still don't know if it was a terror attack. Could just be a hate crime.
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As far as I can see, hate crimes are usually a subset of terrorism. I'm struggling to think of an example that doesn't have an ideological goal as well as the hate for a person.

"the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives"

Foolmewunz said:
We're discussing "dueling protests in Charlotteville". You're trying to distract by Tu Quoqing, as usual. There are threads on those topics.

And I think we can settle on the obvious. "Antifa" is short fo "Anti-Fascist". So, yeah. They are the good guys. Fascists not good; fascists bad.
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I always thought that Antifa was a particular movement that was pretty hard left, as opposed to more general antifascists.

Regardless of that, there are no good fascists, or good racists whilst there are plenty of good antifascists.
 
jimbob said:
and all this because someone described women as a minority, which, whilst technically incorrect in most countries, is a common usage.
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I was sure the person using percentage of women hairdressers as a fact must have already researched the statistics and didn't just pull it out of their backside. However the evidence really does seem to show that they hadn't done any research.
 
caveman1917 said:
You could argue that calling for the abolition of nations such as the USA would be inconsistent with being considered a "Real American". And such internationalism is common to both anarchists and marxists, who make up the bulk of antifa.
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I don't think that can be argued at all.
 
The Big Dog said:
You might want to take up the real american nonsense with the person who brought it up in the first place.

But yeah, for the most part Antifa are anarchists and communists, particularly the violent Black bloc scum, like Professor Bikelock in Berkely.
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And racists are violent. Ready for yet another round.
Defend all humans' rights or we are not on the same side. Stop picking just one side of bad.
Racists are scum BTW :)
 
jimbob said:
As far as I can see, hate crimes are usually a subset of terrorism. I'm struggling to think of an example that doesn't have an ideological goal as well as the hate for a person.

"the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives"



I always thought that Antifa was a particular movement that was pretty hard left, as opposed to more general antifascists.

Regardless of that, there are no good fascists, or good racists whilst there are plenty of good antifascists.
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The murder of Angie Zapata would be one that isn't terrorism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angie_Zapata

Zapata was 18 when she met Allen Andrade (age 31 at the time) through the mobile phone social network MocoSpace.[2] According to Andrade, the two met on July 15, 2008, and spent nearly three days together, during which they had a sexual encounter. Prosecutors state that Andrade later discovered that Zapata was transgender and subsequently began beating her—first with his fists and then with a fire extinguisher—until she was dead. In the arrest affidavit, Andrade said he thought he had "killed it" before leaving in Zapata's car with the murder weapon and other incriminating evidence
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BobTheCoward said:
Not that one is more important, but that they are equally defining characteristics. What separates the nazis from other genocidal regimes is not their victims not their symbolism. Nazi fascism is a specific thing where genocidal ethnocentrism is one part.
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:dl:

Actually it's not funny. It's sad. Their single defining characteristic is that they murdered 6,000,000 Jews, and would love nothing more than to do it again.

Period. END OF *********** DISCUSSION.

To suggest otherwise is simply insanity at this point.
 
NoahFence said:
:dl:

Actually it's not funny. It's sad. Their single defining characteristic is that they murdered 6,000,000 Jews, and would love nothing more than to do it again.

Period. END OF *********** DISCUSSION.

To suggest otherwise is simply insanity at this point.
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If I had to grab one word it would be fascism.
 
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