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Ed Dueling protests spark state of emergency in Virginia.

Tommy Jeppesen said:
Cut it out! There was no large scale systematic war crimes on the West-Allied side.
BTW - Both Japan and the Nazis started. :D
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A) that wasn't the bar. The bar was monster, which I certainly feel they were.

B) I don't care if they started it, I don't support war with Japan after pearl harbor.
 
uke2se said:
Which ones? How can you tell?
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There seems to be 3 there, hence some
 
Tommy Jeppesen said:
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There seems to be 3 there, hence some
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The guy in the back is in shades and a soccer shirt. He might be there just to support his friends.
 
Tommy Jeppesen said:
A rose is a rose by any name given.
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Absolutely false in the context of the present discussion.

This is not a dry, academic discussion where group identities can be diluted and reapplied as need be to most precisely capture the fleeting zeitgeist. We are deep within the folds of identity politics. Labels are important. They have meaning, both when chosen for oneself and imposed by others.

When a group of like-minded racists started banding together and calling themselves the "alt-right," that meant something.
When I tell someone that they are not an "ethnopatriot," they are a goddamned Nazi, that means something.
When the alt-right try to label everyone opposed to them as "alt-left," that too is meant to mean something.

Tommy Jeppesen said:
There seems to be 3 there, hence some
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Is he carrying a dowel rod? That's not even a baseball bat, or even a 2x4. That's a stick.

The alt-right present had guns and riot gear. You have posted a picture of someone who literally brought a stick to a gunfight as representing an extremist threat.
 
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uke2se said:
It doesn't exist. I can't prove that negative. If you can prove to me that there is any organisation called the "alt-left", and that it has anything to do with what we are discussing in this thread, go right ahead and I'll consider it. Until such a time, I'm considering this a diversion and a derail.
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The term "Alt-Left" has been used pejoratively here (Belgium) by leftists for a particular kind of ethno-nationalist and racist ideology which claims to be "left-wing". Though that's of course not what Tommy meant, but still, the term exists in political parlance but meaning something entirely different than Tommy claims.
 
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Beelzebuddy said:
Absolutely false in the context of the present discussion.

This is not a dry, academic discussion where group identities can be diluted and reapplied as need be to most precisely capture the fleeting zeitgeist. We are deep within the folds of identity politics. Labels are important. They have meaning, both when chosen for oneself and imposed by others.

When a group of like-minded racists started banding together and calling themselves the "alt-right," that meant something.
When I tell someone that they are not an "ethnopatriot," they are a goddamned Nazi, that means something.
When the alt-right try to label everyone opposed to them as "alt-left," that too is supposed to mean something.
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Yes, I know we have to fight. But how?
 
Tommy Jeppesen said:
Yes, I know we have to fight. But how?
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The first and arguably most important way is not the let the alt-right control the narrative. "There are extremists on both sides, they are just as much to blame as we are" is a standard propaganda line of theirs.
 
The Big Dog said:
just so we are clear, we are not counting the guy who shot up the baseball field or the guy who shot those cops in Texas as part of the alt left?
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No, that would be over in Tu Quoqueville. I think you took a wrong turn at the Exxon station.

We're discussing a neo-nazi who ran someone down with his car and the enablers and apologists who are avoiding addressing the issue.

How do you feel about it, dawg? Can we put you down for "Definitely against using vehicular homicide as a debate tactic"? Or do you want to join up with Donnie Tee-Fab? Both sides?
 
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Beelzebuddy said:
The first and arguably most important way is not the let the alt-right control the narrative. "There are extremists on both sides, they are just as much to blame as we are" is a standard propaganda line of theirs.
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Yep. Charlotteville was the doing of the alt-right and their Nazi fellow travellers. They outed themselves completely during the past weekend. Now the alt-right have no room to claim that they are just "ethno nationalists". They are all Nazis, and now everyone knows it.
 
 
caveman1917 said:
Does it matter? The "terrorism" category is just ideological anyway, otherwise one of the largest and most dangerous terrorist groups on the planet would be the US military.
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I dont know what "does it matter" means. It is about the meaning of words and using them correctly.
 
 
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