Ed Dueling protests spark state of emergency in Virginia.

caveman1917 said:
There's a difference between locking up someone for denying the holocaust and letting nazis roam around in torch-lit mobs. I agree that people shouldn't be locked up merely for denying the holocaust, but when groups of nazis try to take the streets they should be opposed. Though I suppose that's not so much a task for the state as for the working class.
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I think we all agree that counterdemonstrations for Nazi rallies are well and good. I wouldn't restrict the onus to the working class, but to all decent folk (though, even then, participation might be a weak duty, overcome by other considerations -- I wouldn't think ill of a person who didn't participate so long as they had some reason not to).
 
Childlike Empress said:
btw, I checked up with what the Stormer crowd is doing now. They opened a TOR hidden service which kind of works but doesn't even load the CSS, let alone the forums etc. And to their clueless fans who advise them to go to Russia or Nigeria (LOL), they say very clearly that if it isn't in the US, no home will be able to host them even temporarily given the pressure, the smaller the more vulnerable, no due process. So if the Daily Stormer will not come back, Free Speech on the internet died, as it is like pregnancy, yes or no. I'm on the side of how repulsive it can be, relax and don't politicize all tech companies and prosecute crimes where they ocure.
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If it doesn't come back it's because they're too stupid and/or unresourceful to get it back, not because of anything specifically about the internet's "free speech" having died. (you can easily buy hard-drugs, weapons, etc online)
 
trustbutverify said:
How, exactly, is it false equivalence? Each case involves using denial of income to punish/intimidate speech, right?
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You cherry picked one thing and claimed equivalence without considering a half dozen other aspects not in any way equivalent.

Beyond that, it's veering off topic.
 
Childlike Empress said:
btw, I checked up with what the Stormer crowd is doing now. They opened a TOR hidden service which kind of works but doesn't even load the CSS, let alone the forums etc. And to their clueless fans who advise them to go to Russia or Nigeria (LOL), they say very clearly that if it isn't in the US, no home will be able to host them even temporarily given the pressure, the smaller the more vulnerable, no due process. So if the Daily Stormer will not come back, Free Speech on the internet died, as it is like pregnancy, yes or no. I'm on the side of how repulsive it can be, relax and don't politicize all tech companies and prosecute crimes where they ocure.
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Free speech doesn't give you the right to use other people's property to spread your hate speech.
 
I can't wait to see how the next round of polling turns out. Everybody that defends them just digs their own grave. He stains everybody that touches him.
 
This could go here or in the Trump/Russia thread so I'm going to post it in both threads:

'A model for civilization': Putin's Russia has emerged as 'a beacon for nationalists' and the American alt-right
'A model for civilization': Putin's Russia has emerged as 'a beacon for nationalists' and the American alt-right.

Spencer's ties to Russia, which he has called the “sole white power in the world," go deeper. He was married until October to Russian writer and self-proclaimed "Kremlin troll leader" Nina Kouprianova, whose writing under the pen name Nina Byzantina regularly aligns with Kremlin talking points.
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OK now that's even more disturbing.
 
caveman1917 said:
There's a difference between locking up someone for denying the holocaust and letting nazis roam around in torch-lit mobs. I agree that people shouldn't be locked up merely for denying the holocaust, but when groups of nazis try to take the streets they should be opposed. Though I suppose that's not so much a task for the state as for the working class.
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What if the working class supports the Nazis and holocaust denial? What if the working class has been fed a never ending diet of crypto Nazi websites like Veterans Today and the like, and have fallen in love with Donald Trump?
 
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sir drinks-a-lot said:
His numbers will probably go down a bit, but he'll likely continue to poll above both Hillary and the President of France. #hatefacts
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So he will continue to have the worst polling of any president ever at this point in his presidency.

#TiredOfWinning
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
You cherry picked one thing and claimed equivalence without considering a half dozen other aspects not in any way equivalent.

Beyond that, it's veering off topic.
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They were absolutely equivalent regarding the current topic of debate. Which was the point.
 
caveman1917 said:
There's a difference between locking up someone for denying the holocaust and letting nazis roam around in torch-lit mobs. I agree that people shouldn't be locked up merely for denying the holocaust, but when groups of nazis try to take the streets they should be opposed. Though I suppose that's not so much a task for the state as for the working class.
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I was replying to something specific phiwum had posted, but torch-marches as such are free speech, and I think we all know not enough about what really went on to put any blame (except for the 20-year-old freak who used his car as a weapon). It seems to me that there is some merit to the nazi claims that the police deliberately refused to seperáte them from the antis, but that will need more research to be sure about.
 
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