Ed Dueling protests spark state of emergency in Virginia.

[Stacko]

Even Fox News is condemning Trump's press conference.

Don Lemon on CNN is having a meltdown over it.

I haven't seen a pundit yet, MSNBC, Fox or CNN, that is defending Trump's tantrum.

Carlson and Hannity haven't aired yet.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Link?

Not that I have any reason to doubt you - unfortunately.

ETA:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/...white-supremacists-alt-left-transcript-241662

Saw it first hand. Trump said that there were many people on the left responsible for violence and he claims that there were "good people" at the rally who were just there to defend history and protest the removal of the statue.

Trump claimed he waited to get all the facts. Apparently he missed the "Jews will not replace us" torch carrying chant the night before.

 

[Giordano]

Trump has disgusted me on many levels for many reasons over the past year. But I haven't even come close to this level of revulsion before! The POTUS outs himself as a Nazi and racist apologist and sympathizer, and he appears to not even understand that he is doing so.

Every week Trump manages to sink below even his prior low. Not only is he unfit to be President, he is unfit to be a considered a member of civilized society.

 

[dudalb]

Does Donnie think he is President of the USA or the CSA?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

It seems that everything is the fault of the left. Everything.

what next? The woman who was murdered, it was her fault because she was there?

If you want to look between the lines, Trump actually said the alt-right had a permit and the counter-protesters didn't.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

It's a long transcript. Can someone point me to where Trump said something like the right wing protesters were good people? Thanks.

To add to other quotes from Trump posted above, here's another:

TRUMP: Oh no, George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down – excuse me. Are we going to take down, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him? Okay, good. Are we going to take down his statue? He was a major slave owner. Are we going to take down his statue? You know what? It’s fine, you’re changing history, you’re changing culture, and you had people – and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally – but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats – you had a lot of bad people in the other group too.

 

[crescent]

If you want to look between the lines, Trump actually said the alt-right had a permit and the counter-protesters didn't.

I am wondering now who applied for the permit? Given the mainstream GOP support for keeping such statues - was this planned as a more ore less mainstream Republican-ish event that was hijacked by the various Alt-Right/Nazi/KKK badmashes, or was this planned from the beginning as a primarily Alt-right/Nazi/KKK reprobate event?

 

[phiwum]

How?

Here's one example:

Suppose that Party A expresses horrible claims, such terrible claims that it is predictable that Party B will react violently. Then Party A didn't incite violence in the legal sense, since Party A didn't encourage an act of violence, even though violence was a predictable result of their speech.

Now, maybe they used "fighting words" in which case their speech is not necessarily protected. But I don't think that every utterance which is likely to cause a violent reaction is necessarily fighting words. If I go to a Trump rally and start shouting that Trump is an idiot and an ******* and that transsexuals ought to rule the world, violence would be a likely result but I don't think (and I could be wrong) that this would count as fighting words.

Continuous focus on the interpretation of the term "support" which I used does not negate the point I had made.

Just wanted to be sure that my position was clear. I don't deny supporting the right of Nazis to express their views in the US.[1]

[1] I have no opinion about the fact they aren't allowed to do so in Germany. I understand that the issue is, charitably speaking, complicated and Germany tain't my country so I'm loathe to criticize their choices.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Carlson and Hannity haven't aired yet.

I expect a full defense of Trump from them both.

 

[dudalb]

Two more CEO just quit Trump's council after his news Conference. Man, I just can't take this winning.

 

[phiwum]

Third paragraph on the ABCNews article:

Thanks much for indulging my laziness.

 

[phiwum]

It's what you'd expect from someone that has been watching Fox News.

Thank you for the cite as well, though I think crescent's cite was more to the point.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I am wondering now who applied for the permit? Given the mainstream GOP support for keeping such statues - was this planned as a more ore less mainstream Republican-ish event that was hijacked by the various Alt-Right/Nazi/KKK badmashes, or was this planned from the beginning as a primarily Alt-right/Nazi/KKK reprobate event?

Clearly the latter. All you need see was the torch carrying march where they chanted "Jews won't replace us".

Judge Grants Injunction, Jason Kessler Can Have Unite the Right Rally at Emancipation Park

The ACLU defended the right to have rally at the downtown park.

Jason Kessler

A former University of Virginia student, Kessler founded a far-right nonprofit called Unity & Security for America earlier this year to "protect the West" from "rampant immigration."

Kessler told a local radio station last week that the rally was meant as a show of "support" for Charlotteville's monument to the Confederate general Robert E. Lee, which he said local politicians were trying to remove as part of "a push to take down all of these white historical figures."

"We're trying to do a pro-white demonstration," Kessler said. "We're trying to show that folks can stand up for white people. The political correctness has gotten way out of control, and the only way to fight back against it has been to stand up for our own interests."

Kessler, who has written for right-wing publications like The Daily Caller and the anti-immigration outlet VDARE, said that he is "pro-white" and wants to "stand up" for his people against "ethnic cleansing" by "liberal social policies." But he denied that he is a white supremacist.

 

[jimbob]

Saw it first hand. Trump said that there were many people on the left responsible for violence and he claims that there were "good people" at the rally who were just there to defend history and protest the removal of the statue.

Trump claimed he waited to get all the facts. Apparently he missed the "Jews will not replace us" torch carrying chant the night before.

From Badscience

Also, he's still trying the wrong on both sides thing?

I mean, at its most basic, it is sort of true, but on one side its the wrong of having slightly too much vinegar on your chips (and most people involved want an appropriate amount anyway), and on the other, it's the wrong of having hydrofluoric acid on your chips, (with even the least extreme demanding at least some concentrated hydrochloric)

Note to Americans, chips are not fries, and chips are improved with vinegar.

 

[phiwum]

Curious use of pronouns in the defense.



"Us" he says.

I am missing the part where he says "charging at us", despite searching for the word "charging". Are you sure about that pronoun?

Thanks.

 

[Mumbles]

"We tried to tell y'all."

-Ancient African-American proverb

 

[Stacko]

I am missing the part where he says "charging at us", despite searching for the word "charging". Are you sure about that pronoun?

Thanks.

It was in originally but the us has been replaced with an 'em now. Must have been an error.

 

[Belz...]

That's not a very accurate description of what happened. Follow the writers own link and read it in context. He was not familiar with the story when asked about it. And does this automatically mean it's racist?

Body of work.

 

[crescent]

Clearly the latter. All you need see was the torch carrying march where they chanted "Jews won't replace us".

That just tells me who was in the march, not who planned it applied for the initial permit. I was wondering if this was the conservative equivalent of a peaceful-intention liberal protest that gets hijacked by black-bloc people.

That said, your post makes it clear that this was planned from the beginning to be an openly racist event - making Trump's statement about "both sides" all the more shameful. One side was openly racist from the get go - there were no "fine people" on the racist side, by definition. There was no hijacking, just bad intent from the beginning.

 

[Beerina]

Even Fox News is condemning Trump's press conference.

Don Lemon on CNN is having a meltdown over it.

I haven't seen a pundit yet, MSNBC, Fox or CNN, that is defending Trump's tantrum.

Wolf Blitzer: He has a Jewish daughter and son in law, Jewish grand children, Jewish relatives. I had all four of my grandparents murdered in the Holocaust. What's his problem?