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caveman1917 said:
In what way exactly does nazi political speech not incite violence? Do you think that those concentration camps and all were just a coincidental happenstance to nazism as political ideology?
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Nazi political speech incites violence because some people are triggered by it. It's like when a group of people are demanding the right to murder children, a reasonable ordinary everyday anti-abortionist is going to react to that sort of violence by tossing a pipe bomb into the crowd. Because violence against people who promote violence against innocents is OK.

Maybe not in your abstract "ought" world, but if you support neo-nazi rallies, and neo-nazis at rallies tend to have violent intentions, then you are in the actual "is" world. Duh.
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I haven't seen a neo-Nazi rally for decades but from what I remember, there wasn't nearly the amount of violence at them that there are when the ANTIFA shows up at alt-right rallies today
 
"Here is the thing, when I make a statement, I like to be correct. I want the facts"

I might actually use the :i: for the first time
 
CaptainHowdy said:
Nazi political speech incites violence because some people are triggered by it. It's like when a group of people are demanding the right to murder children, a reasonable ordinary everyday anti-abortionist is going to react to that sort of violence by tossing a pipe bomb into the crowd. Because violence against people who promote violence against innocents is OK.

I haven't seen a neo-Nazi rally for decades but from what I remember, there wasn't nearly the amount of violence at them that there are when the ANTIFA shows up at alt-right rallies today
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Wow, somebody just outed themselves.

Saying bombing abortion clinics is OK and supporting Nazis in one post.Skeptic Tank could have done no better.
 
CaptainHowdy said:
Nazi political speech incites violence because some people are triggered by it. It's like when a group of people are demanding the right to murder children, a reasonable ordinary everyday anti-abortionist is going to react to that sort of violence by tossing a pipe bomb into the crowd. Because violence against people who promote violence against innocents is OK.

I haven't seen a neo-Nazi rally for decades but from what I remember, there wasn't nearly the amount of violence at them that there are when the ANTIFA shows up at alt-right rallies today
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Well over here they recently "triggered" a homeless guy to death after one of their rallies. I'm sure it was Antifa's fault though, so no problem.
 
dudalb said:
Wow, somebody just outed themselves.

Saying bombing abortion clinics is OK and supporting Nazis in one post.Skeptic Tank could have done no better.
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I thought that was sarcasm. Perhaps my sarcasm meter is giving out false positives.
 
dudalb said:
Wow, somebody just outed themselves.

Saying bombing abortion clinics is OK and supporting Nazis in one post.Skeptic Tank could have done no better.
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It seems that everything is the fault of the left. Everything.

what next? The woman who was murdered, it was her fault because she was there?
 
I actually agree that the more militant members of the Antifa crowd are partially to blame for the violence, but the Neo Nazis were a lot more to blame..and it's the Neo Nazis who killed somebody.
And a Republican President..a member of the party of Lincoln....a party that was created to stop the spread of slavery....just made a Pro Confederate Statement. Honest Abe is turning over in his grave at the actions of Dishonest Don.
 
phiwum said:
It may be the case that Nazi speech tends to be associated with violence without inciting violence.
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How?

I certainly support the right for Nazis to make their abhorrent speeches. I think it's misleading in the extreme to say that I support Nazi rallies.
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Continuous focus on the interpretation of the term "support" which I used does not negate the point I had made.
 
crescent said:
I thought that was sarcasm. Perhaps my sarcasm meter is giving out false positives.
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Surely you've read other posts by CaptainHowdy? Not sarcasm but completely in character with his other postings. Of course one can wonder if he (or anyone else for that matter) is a poe, but he certainly has been extraordinarily consistent with never providing even a tiny hint that he is anything but serious as to the positions he takes on this forum.
 
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phiwum said:
It's a long transcript. Can someone point me to where Trump said something like the right wing protesters were good people? Thanks.
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Third paragraph on the ABCNews article:

President Donald Trump lashed out about the criticism of his initial statement about the Charlottesville violence today and quickly went on to blame both sides of protestors for the conflict, adding that there were “very fine people” in both the group of white supremacists and white nationalists as well as the counterprotesters.

“I think there is blame on both sides. You look at both sides. I think there is blame object on both sides,” Trump said during remarks in Trump Tower today.

“You had some very bad people in that group. You also had some very fine people on both sides,” he said.
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jimbob said:
"Here is the thing, when I make a statement, I like to be correct. I want the facts"

I might actually use the :i: for the first time
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Right! But don't fall into the dark side and use pictures. You're better than that, man.

Otherwise, I'm totally with you. That is one of the silliest statements by a man known for silly (and worse) statements.
 
phiwum said:
It's a long transcript. Can someone point me to where Trump said something like the right wing protesters were good people? Thanks.
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Not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue, Robert E. Lee. You take a look at some of the groups and you see and you would know it if you were honest reporters, which in many cases you are not.

Many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. This week, it is Robert E. Lee and this week, Stonewall Jackson. Is it George Washington next? You have to ask yourself, where does it stop?
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It's what you'd expect from someone that has been watching Fox News.
 
Giordano said:
Surely you've read other posts by CaptainHowdy? Not sarcasm but completely in character with his other postings. Of course one can wonder if he (or anyone else for that matter) is a poe, but he certainly has been extraordinarily consistent with never providing even a tiny hint that he is anything but serious as to the positions he takes on this forum.
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I am familiar with Skeptic Tank - but dudalb was quoting Captain Howdy.

I don't want to read too much into it - it would be best for Captain Howdy to explain the seriousness (or lack thereof) in that post.

(ETA: I could have sworn Giordano said "Skeptic Tank". Maybe my sarcasm meter is not the only thing that is broken. I am not familiar much with Captain Howdy's posting history)
 
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crescent said:
I am familiar with Skeptic Tank - but dudalb was quoting Captain Howdy.

I don't want to read too much into it - it would be best for Captain Howdy to explain the seriousness (or lack thereof) in that post.

(ETA: I could have sworn Giordano said "Skeptic Tank". Maybe my sarcasm meter is not the only thing that is broken. I am not familiar much with Captain Howdy's posting history)
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I quickly corrected it within 2 minutes of my first erroneous post. I didn't bother to indicate the edit because I thought I had made the correction before anyone noticed or responded to it. My bad!
 
dudalb said:
Trump just doubled down on his Saturday statement, blamed the left for the violence, and called the right wing demonstrators "good people".
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Even Fox News is condemning Trump's press conference.

Don Lemon on CNN is having a meltdown over it.

I haven't seen a pundit yet, MSNBC, Fox or CNN, that is defending Trump's tantrum.
 
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