Cont: All things Trump + Russia Part 2

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The "new report" has been discussed here when it came out, and the best argument against its direct findings has been that the analysis of the available data from the Guccifer 2.0 (not to be confused with Guccifer 1.0, see above) leaks cannot account for if this is the original data taken from the DNC server, meaning there could have been steps before it was copied in the eastern coastal timezone at speed you can't do over the internet - maybe aliens with space hacking beams. ;)
 
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Seriously, this again? Those high speed copies took place weeks after Guccifer 2.0 publicly announced that they had breached the DNC.
 
d4m10n said:
Seriously, this again? Those high speed copies took place weeks after Guccifer 2.0 publicly announced that they had breached the DNC.
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And, as I've mentioned before, time and date stamps tell us nothing given that time and date are easily modified on both files and the computers themselves.
 
btw, here's Tucker Carlson interviewing William Binney about this yesterday. Binney, who Brainster
can't help himself but to habitually smear with some ultra-vague "9/11 truth" connection, according to wikipedia:

wikipedia said:
[...] Binney's NSA career culminated as Technical Leader for intelligence in 2001. Having expertise in intelligence analysis, traffic analysis, systems analysis, knowledge management, and mathematics (including set theory, number theory, and probability),[7] Binney has been described as one of the best analysts in the NSA's history.[8] [...]

In September 2002, he, along with J. Kirk Wiebe and Edward Loomis, asked the U.S. Defense Department Inspector General (DoD IG) to investigate the NSA for allegedly wasting "millions and millions of dollars" on Trailblazer, a system intended to analyze mass collection of data carried on communications networks such as the Internet. Binney had been one of the inventors of an alternative system, ThinThread, which was shelved when Trailblazer was chosen instead. [...]
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This could go here or in the "DOJ wants protesters' names" thread so I'm going to post it in both threads:

'A model for civilization': Putin's Russia has emerged as 'a beacon for nationalists' and the American alt-right
'A model for civilization': Putin's Russia has emerged as 'a beacon for nationalists' and the American alt-right.

Spencer's ties to Russia, which he has called the “sole white power in the world," go deeper. He was married until October to Russian writer and self-proclaimed "Kremlin troll leader" Nina Kouprianova, whose writing under the pen name Nina Byzantina regularly aligns with Kremlin talking points.
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OK now that's even more disturbing.
 
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Brainster said:
This part sounds pretty conclusive:
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It has been pointed out earlier in this thread that this copy time of 87 occurred at some time relative to the actual hack: The report suggests it happened during the hack (i.e. the copy activity that constitutes the hack), but could as easily, and trivially, have occurred later.

Picture it like this:
Original hack - via internet: Takes, say, 2 hours (number just an example).
Hacker then copies it to a USB stick - for example, perhaps 73 seconds - and gives stick to friend
Friend then copies file to own computer, which is a tad weaker on USB port - 87 seconds
And that's the 87 seconds they found.
 
Brainster said:
Anybody here talking about this Salon article, which references a Nation article which also seems to have been ignored by the lamestream media. Quoting from Salon:



The former US intelligence officers are the members of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, a group that was initially formed to protest against the intel used to justify the Iraq War.

This part sounds pretty conclusive:



And get this:



However, this part makes me a little uncomfortable:



McGovern is a bit of a kook; he has been on the fringes of the 9-11 Truth Movement for years; he wrote this blurb for one of David Ray Griffin's many nutty books:



Compelling evidence? Griffin's claims fall apart as soon as you examine them.

So McGovern's got some hair on him, and he's one of the four principal authors of the VIPS study according to the Nation:



So I decided to look more into some of the other guys. William Binney? Here's an interview with him after he signed AE 9-11 Truth's petition.

As for Weibe and Loomis I couldn't find any concreted evidence of ties to the 9-11 crackpots, but they were both was closely associated with Binney at the NSA, and they both claim they could have prevented 9-11.



But according to this New Yorker article from a couple years back ThinThread was rejected precisely because its privacy protections were inadequate:



So I'd say yellow light on this story: proceed with caution.
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I wonder how long until you can put aside your partisan blinders and admit we have a person totally unfit person in the White House. Maybe his siding with the Neo Nazis and the Klan today will help....
 
If PUtin purpose in trying to get Trump elected was to throw the US into Chaos, he might be succeeding....
 
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And, as I've mentioned before, time and date stamps tell us nothing given that time and date are easily modified on both files and the computers themselves.
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And The Nation is reviewing the article to fact check this.

Katrina vanden Heuvel, the Nation’s editor and publisher (and the writer of a weekly online column for The Post), tells the Erik Wemple Blog that Lawrence’s piece is undergoing a post-publication editorial review. “We’re doing the review as we speak, and I don’t want to rush to say anything,” said vanden Heuvel. Part of that review is an assessment of the technical feasibility of the points in Lawrence’s article.

That’s a critical consideration, because the piece relies to a significant degree on a finding that hackers working remotely couldn’t possibly have downloaded all the information that they allegedly secured and passed along to WikiLeaks. Though Lawrence’s writing on this topic is impenetrable, he cites a number of researchers and groups — including Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) — who have examined the official case for a DNC hack. Among the key actors is someone known as the “Forensicator,” an independent researcher of unknown identity.

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Maybe the Nation should have done the technical patdown prior to publication. “Most households don’t get internet speeds that high, but enterprise operations, like the DNC — or, uh, the [Russian] FSB — would have access to a higher but certainly not unattainable speed like that,” wrote Brian Feldman in a debunking in New York Magazine.
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The Nation article is third rate propaganda written by a Putin cheerleader and based on the research of what is, essentially, a Truther conspiracy club. And now another Putin apologist, the editor and publisher of The Nation, has decided to fact check the article post publication. Journalism at it's very finest.
 
trustbutverify said:
The Nation article is third rate propaganda written by a Putin cheerleader and based on the research of what is, essentially, a Truther conspiracy club. And now another Putin apologist, the editor and publisher of The Nation, has decided to fact check the article post publication. Journalism at it's very finest.
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What evidence do you have that The Nation or its editor is a Putin apologist? That's bull. They are especially negative about Putin because of his murder of reporters.
 
dudalb said:
I wonder how long until you can put aside your partisan blinders and admit we have a person totally unfit person in the White House. Maybe his siding with the Neo Nazis and the Klan today will help....
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Sigh. The usual overblown nonsense. I read what Trump said, and to me it's mostly spot on, although as usual there are liberal reporters looking around for a fainting couch every time he tweets or says something. Ohmigod, he compared antifa to a bunch of far right goons! And how dare he even suggest that some of the people in that march might be supporters of Confederate history and not skinhead racists?

Why are these things so outrageous? Because they are not what the liberal elites think. They think that Antifa is the modern version of the Society of the White Rose; they don't see that fascist movements can arrive on the left as well as the right. Maybe those black bloc guys are a little out of control, but they mean well. And of course Confederate statues have to go. But as Trump said, what's next?

On Monday, more than 200 SJW zealots held a protest inside the American Museum of Natural History in New York City to take down the supposedly “racist” statue of former President Theodore Roosevelt. The protest’s organizers, NYC Stands with Standing Rock and Decolonize This Place, also called for Columbus Day to be renamed Indigenous People’s Day.
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Babbylonian said:
And, as I've mentioned before, time and date stamps tell us nothing given that time and date are easily modified on both files and the computers themselves.
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But even assuming those date/time stamps are correct, all they tell us is that someone copied all those files (probably using linux) weeks after Guccifer 2.0 claimed they had acquired "thousands of files and mails" in the DNC breach. This makes the time stamp analysis an exercise in CT smokescreening at best.

ETA: Basically this post.
 
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varwoche said:
Curious. And yet Emily's Cat tells us that the Russian involvement is overblown, and that the Trump gang is getting in trouble merely for associating with ordinary Russian citizens, and even for associating with ordinary American citizens of Russian descent.
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Not exactly.

I've said that the news is busy speculating about anyone who has any connection to anyone Russian and proceeding to flood the media with rampant yet unproven allegations of every nefarious sort.

There may be connections. There may be wrongdoing. But for most of the stuff that you guys are so perfectly certain about... it's speculations based on hypotheticals fueled by unnamed and unverified sources. In short, it's predominantly gossip. Trying to find actual fact embedded in all the hearsay is a serious challenge, and many of you seem to have tossed any claim to skepticism right out the window.

Let me be clear: Mueller is performing an investigation; Media is orchestrating a witch hunt.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Not exactly.

I've said that the news is busy speculating about anyone who has any connection to anyone Russian and proceeding to flood the media with rampant yet unproven allegations of every nefarious sort.
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Specifc examples please. I'm disinterested in your fact-challenged, unsupported claims.
 
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