Ed Dueling protests spark state of emergency in Virginia.

CapelDodger said:
A case for the ACLU, I'll be bound.
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I don't know, I think just about any public venue can start to make a case for how there's a growing trend of showdowns and go the 'cannot guarantee public safety' route.

Even if there's a penalty, who wants their university's name splashed on the news screens for the next 48-72 hours and their entire brand status dragged through the mud? I know the racism issue is much bigger than some poor university chancellor, but that's going to be their perspective on it for sure.
 
I mentioned in another thread how the decision of the Neo Confedrates to accept the support of the Neo Nazis was a huge,disasterous blunder for them. It has really made the whole
Heritage Not Hate" routine a joke.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
I don't know, I think just about any public venue can start to make a case for how there's a growing trend of showdowns and go the 'cannot guarantee public safety' route.
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This calls for a Committee of Public Safety. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_of_Public_Safety

Even if there's a penalty, who wants their university's name splashed on the news screens for the next 48-72 hours and their entire brand status dragged through the mud? I know the racism issue is much bigger than some poor university chancellor, but that's going to be their perspective on it for sure.
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I doubt it'll be the ACLU perspective. Not that I'd suggest it should be, however paradoxical it might seem at first glance.
 
Sorry, but the Committee of Public Safety during the Reign of Terror is not something I could recommend under any circumstances. It was a precursor to the "show Trials" in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia and Mao's China that were one of the worst features of those regimes.
 
CapelDodger said:
This calls for a Committee of Public Safety. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_of_Public_Safety
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That's less funny than it used to be to me.

Another repeated thought of mine, lately:

"I understand power often needs a fist to deal with before it accepts the open hand.

But I definitely don't want the fist taking power, either."

But honestly, I do the rounds very early every weekday morning at the local university to make sure the smart classroom podiums are tip-top. Most of the buildings could quite easily "suddenly" have a number of code issues and totally not be safe for hosting an event(!).

I doubt it'll be the ACLU perspective. Not that I'd suggest it should be, however paradoxical it might seem at first glance.
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They are taking a pummeling in reputation for the previous defense case by my anecdotal observation. I don't think they have time to wait and see if it changes donation levels, they may move to insulate themselves just like the universities are going to be compelled to do for self-interest.
 
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JoeBentley said:
I think it is very important that the government, the system, be the one that takes them down.
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In North Carolina, the funny farm (a.k.a. the State Government) passed a bill that makes it illegal for anyone to remove a monument. I believe that's part of the reason for the action - you can't get your City Council to remove it so your community voice means nothing when the blackshirts at the State level forbid you from doing so, even democratically. (These are the "small government" conservatives we hear about.)

It was a similar legislative tactic to that ramrodded through in the infamous transgender bathroom access statute.
 
And the correlation of domestic violence being linked to mass murderers and terrorists raises it's ugly head again.

When James Alex Fields Jr. allegedly rammed his car into a crowd*protesting a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, and killed a woman on Saturday, it was not the first time he was accused of violent behavior.

In 2010, his mother, Samantha Bloom, told police that her son hit her in the head, covered her mouth with his hands and threatened to assault her after she told the young teen to stop playing video games, according to The Washington Post.

The following year, the police were called twice. In October 2011, Bloom, who is disabled and uses a wheelchair,*called 911 to report that Fields was “being very threatening toward her,” the dispatcher wrote. The next month, police were requested after Fields allegedly spat in his mother’s face and stood behind her with a 12-inch knife.

If this is sounding familiar, it should: A history of domestic violence is a common thread linking many mass killers and violent terrorists.
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dudalb said:
Dammit, I am torn by this; I Don't like illegal destruction of public property, but am glad another monument to Treason and Racism is gone...althout I would much rather have seen it done by legal means.
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I would share this sentiment - but it's been brought up that there are no legal means of removing Confederate statues in NC; the state lawmakers have forbidden cities and towns from taking down any statues without state approval (which of course they pointedly will not give). IMO, that makes this less an act of simple mob vandalism and more one of civil disobedience.
 
caveman1917 said:
Interesting that they didn't take that pummeling in reputation when they were actually making the defense case.
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Given that the objection was to a last-minute venue change and the fact that it's something of a "process story" compared to the Jerry Springer atmosphere of the violence, it's hard to say if that's indicative of selective outrage or just lack of time to absorb all the moving pieces and parts for what they are. It's hard to make the nuanced point that sometimes you have to uphold your "enemy's" rights too so that a precedent doesn't get set in that jurisdiction which ends up biting you in the ass later.
 
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dudalb said:
Sorry, but the Committee of Public Safety during the Reign of Terror is not something I could recommend under any circumstances. It was a precursor to the "show Trials" in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia and Mao's China that were one of the worst features of those regimes.
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My irony is being particularly opaque tonight, I'm afraid.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Given that the objection was to a last-minute venue change and the fact that it's something of a "process story" compared to the Jerry Springer atmosphere of the violence, it's hard to say if that's indicative of selective outrage or just lack of time to absorb all the moving pieces and parts for what they are. It's hard to make the nuanced point that sometimes you have to uphold your "enemy's" rights too so that a precedent doesn't get set in that jurisdiction which ends up biting you in the ass later.
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I don't particularly care about your crappy liberal rationalizations for collaboration, I just find it odd that someone first had to actually die before people apparently understand that giving nazis the "right" to publicly recruit for and organize their project is pretty stupid, to say the least.
 
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Checkmite said:
I would share this sentiment - but it's been brought up that there are no legal means of removing Confederate statues in NC; the state lawmakers have forbidden cities and towns from taking down any statues without state approval (which of course they pointedly will not give). IMO, that makes this less an act of simple mob vandalism and more one of civil disobedience.
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There is no difference between the two
 
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