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C_Felix said:
This is akin to when people call #44, Barack Hussein Obama.
Because specious association to Saddam Hussein makes #44 bad somehow.

Or something like that.

And, when people do that, I remind them, I inform them that "Hussein" translates to "blessed."
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Except that the association between the name of the month "July" and the figure of Julius Caesar isn't specious.
 
Tony said:
You should take your own advice.
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Okay.

Nothing being discussed here, either in real world context (the removal of Confederate Statues, the renaming of buildings named after Confederate leaders, etc) or theoretical (changing the name of a month) would lead to these events being purged from history Brave New World style and the suggestion that it would is insane.

You think the only reason people know who Julius Ceaser was is because of Jul? Hell do you even think most people know that July is named after Julius Ceaser?
 
John Jones said:
Godwin violation reported.
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The fact that thousands of white nationalist- neo nazis were walking through the streets, many wearing MAGA hats...That David Duke talks about Trump like a saviour... That Bannon is a white nationalist...That Gorka IS a nazi sympathizer... Ok, so, NOT Godwin's Law? It isn't like we were debating recipes and I dropped a , ''But, Hitler!!''
 
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JoeBentley said:
Okay.

Nothing being discussed here, either in real world context (the removal of Confederate Statues, the renaming of buildings named after Confederate leaders, etc) or theoretical (changing the name of a month) would lead to these events being purged from history Brave New World style and the suggestion that it would is insane.

You think the only reason people know who Julius Ceaser was is because of Jul? Hell do you even think most people know that July is named after Julius Ceaser?
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Tony has a point. There are no monuments to Mitsuo Fuchida in Hawaii, and now no one knows what happened at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941.
 
caveman1917 said:
Apparently not.
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Based on what?

Because you were using it.
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I'm asking you to demonstrate it, not simply repeat the same claim.

No your point really doesn't stand at all. Even if we accept your contention, then it's still just a modern form of this:

"But how can you be against feudalism when you're wearing rags made under feudalism? Ha, checkmate, you *********** peasant! I'm such a wise man!"
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This isn't a response to my question.

I have.
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Where? You're named a fallacy, then left it at that. That's not making a point. Your statements are ridiculous. Either support them or admit that they are unfounded.
 
Why didn't the Christian community of Maumee, Ohio say anything to federal authorities about the radicalized young man in their midst?
 
Henri McPhee said:
I fully appreciate that this is a sensitive matter. It's partly due to the after effects of the American civil war. Robert E Lee was a great Confederate General. You can't just airbrush these people out of history by demolishing their statues. Have statues of Lincoln and Grant and Sherman been demolished?

There is a similar sort of problem in Bristol UK at the moment where black people are urging the Local Authority to demolish the statue of the extremely rich slave owner hundreds of years ago, Edward Colston, who had a couple of schools named after him, and alms houses and a Concert hall They want the names changed, besides closing most of the libraries. Call me old-fashioned but leave it as it is I say.

There was another controversy when the Queen Mother unveiled a statue a few years ago to 'Bomber Harris' of RAF Bomber Command during the second world war. I think it's having a sense of history to have such a statue.

This is from the internet about the matter:
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You do realize that if this was merely an academic argument about the merits of building and maintaining monuments to people who might, in the past, have done things that are seen as terrible in the present no one would've died or been wounded today (except perhaps the cops who died, if that helicopter was going to crash anyways).

This wasn't really about those confederate statues rather it's about white supremacists inserting themselves into a debate and controversy in order to drum up public visibility.

They are so protective about their "heritage" and "history" simply because they view the slave fueled white-supremacist past not as something worthwhile to remember but rather something that's important to reestablish right now. At least they might argue that the past state of affairs is a good enough reason to maintain racist beliefs and attitudes in the present.
 
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Travis said:
What I'll say is this: at least someone is standing up to these fascist pricks.
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applecorped said:
True plenty people are standing up to Antifa now
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I'd like to think the implication in your response to Travis was unintentional, an unfortunate accident of your lack of wisdom and care. However, the frequency with which you make such errors can not be ignored.

Your dedication to defending the "wrong side of history" is... well... something. You do yourself and your cause no favors.
 
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Stacko said:
Why didn't the Christian community of Maumee, Ohio say anything to federal authorities about the radicalized young man in their midst?
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One of his high school teachers said his white supremacist views did get him in some trouble at school.

Which made the interview with his mother (who had no idea) all the more bizarre.
 
Arcade22 said:
You do realize that if this was merely an academic argument about the merits of building and maintaining monuments to people who might, in the past, have done things that are seen as terrible in the present no one would've died or been wounded today (except perhaps the cops who died, if that helicopter was going to crash anyways).

This wasn't really about those confederate statues rather it's about white supremacists inserting themselves into a debate and controversy in order to drum up public visibility.

They are so protective about their "heritage" and "history" simply because they view the slave fueled white-supremacist past not as something worthwhile to remember but rather something that's important to reestablish right now. At least they might argue that the past state of affairs is a good enough reason to maintain racist beliefs and attitudes in the present.
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Indeed, if as proposed by many of their defenders that these statues are in support of "Southern heritage" and not "slavery" why are they so very special for so many white supremacists and Nazis? I understand that a political position is not invalidated simply because a few scum also favor it, but if one looks at the bulk of the statements made in support of these Civil War monuments one realizes why white supremacists feel so much at home in the keep/restore the statues movement. Clearly the heritage alluded to had slavery at its center, and the soldiers being honored are honored expressly because they fought to support slavery.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
One of his high school teachers said his white supremacist views did get him in some trouble at school.

Which made the interview with his mother (who had no idea) all the more bizarre.
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That's likely because the mother is steeped in it herself, so doesn't notice it, don't you think?

"Well, yeah, he hates black people, but that doesn't mean he's racist, does it? I mean, we all do to some extent. Sure, he's more boisterous about it, but it's nothing no one else is feeling."
 
pgwenthold said:
That's likely because the mother is steeped in it herself, so doesn't notice it, don't you think?

"Well, yeah, he hates black people, but that doesn't mean he's racist, does it? I mean, we all do to some extent. Sure, he's more boisterous about it, but it's nothing no one else is feeling."
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Hard to say, didn't see enough of the mother to know.
 
pgwenthold said:
That's likely because the mother is steeped in it herself, so doesn't notice it, don't you think?
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I don't know about "likely". It's certainly possible, but so is her simply "overlooking" some of her precious baby boy's more extreme views.
 
CaptainHowdy said:
... White Nationalists don't hate. Maybe Nazis and KKK do but White Nationalists want White ethnostates. That's all. No hate required for that. Condemning White Christians who want an ethnostate for their people is like condemning Zionists who want an ethnostate for their people.
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There are several "ethnostates" called "Europe" from whence these "non-hating nationalists" all originally hail. Why shouldn't they simply shove off? Curiously, one of the chants by the alt-right demonstrators was "We will not be replaced," and one of the claims was of "cultural genocide." So, when conquering whites invade, all is OK, but it is certain genocide if... OMG! TV is in color! No, no hate there, the hypocrisy is a mere artifact of vacuous argument, that's all.

Fancy thinking there, boys.
 
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