Ed Dueling protests spark state of emergency in Virginia.

[Tony]

I think it could be argued that Caesar did many things as an Emperor, good and bad. Lee only had one real claim to fame.

I agree. Which goes to show that the removal of the statue from a place of honor is about more than it being about a person who "faught for injustice" and who "worked for an immoral regime that cause immense harm". That being the case, it's time cut that ******** and deal with the real reason people either support the statue or want it removed.

 

[Travis]

You are too intelligent not to see the difference between STATES violating the Federal Constitution and PRIVATE individuals voicing an opinion that is at odds with the same.

Bad comparison is bad.

What is someone to do when the local police, state and Federal law enforcement have no interest in protecting your civil rights?

 

[Tony]

In an ideal world: Yes.
It is much easier to rename a street or a school, so let's start there.

"September", "October", "November", "December" (from the latin words for 7, 8, 8, and 10) are the 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th months of our calendars. We ought to change that while we're at it.

"March" is named after the God of War. Away with it.

Your "ideal world" sounds like a Brave New World dystopia where human history and culture is systematically scrubbed from the public mind. The tragedy is that you might be right.

 

[Beerina]

I'm triggered by you not knowing what an Oxford comma is.

The serial comma, also known as the Oxford comma for its endorsement by the Oxford University Press style rulebook, is a comma used just before the coordinating conjunction (“and,” or “or,” for example) when three or more terms are listed.

Am I missing something?




Grammar Nazi! And we've come full circle!

 

[Oystein]

Your "ideal world" sounds like a Brave New World dystopia where human history and culture is systematically scrubbed from the public mind. The tragedy is that you might be right.

Hehe I have just been accused that in my home town, a historic public building is called after its builder, who was "a Napoleon lackey" - a communal clerk during the time of French reign (ca. 1798-1813 - don't have the exact years by heart). And I just asked what harm the introduction of French rule actually did. Well, there is one: They introduced the French Revolutionary Calender, which is a pain in the butt for me, personally, as I have to do the conversions today, compiling the genealogy of my family.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Grammar Nazi! And we've come full circle!

Please the proper term is Grammar Alt-right.

 

[C_Felix]

I fully appreciate that this is a sensitive matter. It's partly due to the after effects of the American civil war. Robert E Lee was a great Confederate General.
..neutered...

I think of him as a general from another nation whom attacked the United States.

And no; we're not going to debate is the South was another nation. This thread is close to derailing as it is.

 

[catsmate]

Yep. Antifa are trying to stop a heinous ideology from spreading. They are meeting the neo-nazis on their own terms, so yeah, they are a little rough around the edges. But the neos are un-American, and even inhuman in a limited sense. Singing Kumbaya is not the move when confronting a white supremacist. And they are becoming openly accepted in a certain political party, and becoming more normalized by the day. I think it's significantly more acceptable for antifa to crawl down in the gutter with the neos. These two groups are not roughly equal but on opposite ends of the spectrum. One is textbook evil, and the other wants to reject that evil, By Any Means Necessary.

And so we learn from history, generations have to fight
And those who crave for mastery
Must be faced down on sight
And if that means by words, by fists
By stones or by the gun
Remember those who stood up for
Their daughters and their sons

 

[Craig4]

I fully appreciate that this is a sensitive matter. It's partly due to the after effects of the American civil war. Robert E Lee was a great Confederate General. You can't just airbrush these people out of history by demolishing their statues. Have statues of Lincoln and Grant and Sherman been demolished?

There is a similar sort of problem in Bristol UK at the moment where black people are urging the Local Authority to demolish the statue of the extremely rich slave owner hundreds of years ago, Edward Colston, who had a couple of schools named after him, and alms houses and a Concert hall They want the names changed, besides closing most of the libraries. Call me old-fashioned but leave it as it is I say.

There was another controversy when the Queen Mother unveiled a statue a few years ago to 'Bomber Harris' of RAF Bomber Command during the second world war. I think it's having a sense of history to have such a statue.

This is from the internet about the matter:

Of course you can demolish the statues. That won't do a thing to remove them from history. We still have the battlefield parks, the memorials and bookshelves groan under the weight of scholarship on the Civil War. All getting rid of the statues does is put an end to honoring the criminals who committed the crime of treason. We can still read about their treason. We can still visit the battlefields where they perpetrated mass murder in furtherance of their crime. We just won't have these sick fetish objects celebrating the worst crime in American history blemishing the South.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

The only good thing to come out of Shemp is his avatar. Thanks for that Shemp.

I am triggered by the lack of an Oxford comma.

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Am I missing something?

Whoops. Nope, that one's entirely on me. I misinterpreted your post as referring to casebro's, "Thanks for that Shemp" (which should be "Thanks for that, Shemp").

Sorry about that.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Ooh Putin's henchmen have my address - scary!

I don't have your address, I just know that your kaff (which you told us about openly) basically has just one corner. And yet it was enough to find something pointing out the holier-than-you attitude of your post. Go to the next Friedrich-Ebert-Street to protest.

 

[johnny karate]

Your "ideal world" sounds like a Brave New World dystopia where human history and culture is systematically scrubbed from the public mind. The tragedy is that you might be right.

Good thing the reality is that he isn't.

 

[Thermal]

Please the proper term is Grammar Alt-right.

Ouch!

 

[JoeMorgue]

Your "ideal world" sounds like a Brave New World dystopia where human history and culture is systematically scrubbed from the public mind. The tragedy is that you might be right.

The inability of people to not grasp the difference between no longer celebrating something or putting it in a place of honor and prestige and "scrubbing it form the history books like Stalin did to Trotsky" never ceases to amaze me.

I don't mind General Lee being in history books and PBS documentaries. I mind an obviously intentionally heroic image of him carved in granite standing tall and proud in my town square as something to be celebrated.

There is an area between "celebrating" and "purging." Stop pretending there isn't.

 

[caveman1917]

And so we learn from history, generations have to fight
And those who crave for mastery
Must be faced down on sight
And if that means by words, by fists
By stones or by the gun
Remember those who stood up for
Their daughters and their sons

(with images from Cable Street)

 

[Craig4]

Citation?

You know the boy won't do that.

 

[C_Felix]

Should we change the name of the month "July" because it is named after a genocidal dictator?

This is akin to when people call #44, Barack Hussein Obama.
Because specious association to Saddam Hussein makes #44 bad somehow.

Or something like that.

And, when people do that, I remind them, I inform them that "Hussein" translates to "blessed."

 

[Craig4]

Not really. It was somewhere in the US (obviously) and I think the nazi group which showed up was "traditional worker party" or something, and one or two other groups as well. It's about all I remember, it just caught my attention because it seemed such an odd scene with the Trump supporters fraternizing with antifa against the fash.

So you're saying you made it up.

 

[John Jones]

I can't seem to find one but is there/are there memorials to the victims of slavery. Here in the South we seem to have plenty of memorials to the criminals but I can't recall ever seeing a memorial to the victims of the crime. Prof. Google says there's a proposal for one and I suspect there might be one in the New African American History Museum on the National Mall (though it may be some years before you can get in without advanced tickets). It seems odd that there were millions of people held against their will, rapped, assaulted and sometimes murdered but no bronze statues memorializing them. However, in the South, you can't swing a dead Klansman without hitting a statue dedicated to someone who committed treason to keep people enslaved.

There is a Civil Rights Museum in Memphis on the spot where Dr King was assassinated. Would that count?

 

[C_Felix]

These lyrics just keep getting better and better.

The night is black
Without a moon
The air is thick and still
The vigilantes gather on
The lonely torch lit hill

Features distorted in the flickering light
The faces are twisted and grotesque
Silent and stern in the sweltering night
The mob moves like demons possessed
Quiet in conscience, calm in their right
Confident their ways are best

The righteous rise
With burning eyes
Of hatred and ill-will
Madmen fed on fear and lies
To beat and burn and kill

They say there are strangers who threaten us
In our immigrants and infidels
They say there is strangeness too dangerous
In our theaters and bookstore shelves
That those who know what's best for us
Must rise and save us from ourselves

Quick to judge
Quick to anger
Slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice
And fear walk hand in hand...​