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PhantomWolf said:
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But yes, if 1% of the US population was being killed by the police each year ...
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0.1%.

But that is not what Caveman claims. He claims there are 300,000 additional deaths due to poverty, lack of education and such thing - which he blames on capitalism (notwithstanding the obvious observation that the poor in ALL non-capitalist countries are a lot poorer, less educated and die sooner than the capitalist poor), which in turn he blames on police officers for enforcing the freedoms and rights that the constitution grants.

He equates liberal democracy with murderous capitalism and seeks to abolish BOTH. If by mass death of policemen and any other system supporters, then that should cause him much joy.

Caveman is a totalitarian militarist.
 
Oystein said:
You are conflating the federal (and state) agencies of the police with the federal (perhaps state) ofices of elected politicians - or the government job of upholding laws with the political job of executing and developing laws.

This conflation in effect amounts to calling for a political police. That is totalitarian masturbation.
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When the states refused to segregate Eisenhower sent in the Army. I really don't see Trump sending in troops to stop fascists when local police aren't doing anything about them.
 
thaiboxerken said:
I'm pretty sure there are plenty of people thinking that. Those people would be other white supremacists and Nazis.. ie, Trump supporters.
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And the closet white supremacists may see more of their kindred spirits being socially accepted. President Trump really needs to denounce these un-American neos, and sincere Republicans need to reject them from rallys. That they do not is very telling, IMO.
 
Oystein said:
0.1%.

But that is not what Caveman claims. He claims there are 300,000 additional deaths due to poverty, lack of education and such thing - which he blames on capitalism (notwithstanding the obvious observation that the poor in ALL non-capitalist countries are a lot poorer, less educated and die sooner than the capitalist poor), which in turn he blames on police officers for enforcing the freedoms and rights that the constitution grants.

He equates liberal democracy with murderous capitalism and seeks to abolish BOTH. If by mass death of policemen and any other system supporters, then that should cause him much joy.

Caveman is a totalitarian militarist.
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Most weird when you compare life expectancies of countries. It's notable that the first non-democracy (or Democratic Republic if you want to differentiate between them) comes in at 32nd, being Cuba, after the US in 31st. China comes in 3.2 years less than the US and 7.6 years behind the likes of Japan. North Korea come in at 106th!

I'm not sure how totalitarianism is supposed to help extend people's lives when it clearly doesn't in actual totalitarian states. And if the police are so bad in western democracies (and Democratic Republics) then surely they must be even more terrible in a totalitarian regime where they are often used as death squads quite literally.
 
Travis said:
When the states refused to segregate Eisenhower sent in the Army. I really don't see Trump sending in troops to stop fascists when local police aren't doing anything about them.
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My love of irony demands any effort you make in that results in terrible outcome for you and more fascist power than before.
 
CaptainHowdy said:
White Nationalists don't hate.
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This is a steaming load of deplorable bull crap.

First off, you're not a mind reader. You don't know what these people feel. But more importantly, it's painfully obvious that "white nationalism" is the new face of the worst sort of nazi-sympathetic racism, and your defense of this bare naked scum speaks volumes.
 
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varwoche said:
But more importantly, it's painfully obvious that "white nationalism" is the new face of the worst sort of nazi-sympathetic racism, and your defense of this bare naked scum speaks volumes.
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It's kind of the "intelligent design" of racism.
 
It's telling that Trump was more willing to call the CIA Nazis than he was to call actual Nazis Nazis.
 
CaptainHowdy said:
The problem with you're explanation is that you think that White Nationalists hate people who are different from them, that they target people for intrinsic qualities over which they don't have any control. White Nationalists don't hate. Maybe Nazis and KKK do but White Nationalists want White ethnostates. That's all. No hate required for that.
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Uhhhh......yeah there is. Hate required, that is. Wanting a "white ethnostate" really does require hate.

Condemning White Christians who want an ethnostate for their people is like condemning Zionists who want an ethnostate for their people.
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Ok....now, this one gets a little bit more tricky, and could derail things, so I won't go too deep, but there are an awful lot of differences between Zionists and White Nationalists. Even so, I would go so far as to say there is a lot of hatred among Zionists, but that doesn't make it equivalent to White Nationalism, which has hatred as a starting point.
 
applecorped said:
Both sides suck but depending on what side you're on your side sucks just a little bit less.


Rinse, repeat
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A key difference is, one "side" consists of a miniscule group of a fringe zealots who have virtually no political support, and the other side is esconced in the white house.

A word of advice: Stick with the comment-free emoticons.
 
Travis said:
When the states refused to segregate Eisenhower sent in the Army. I really don't see Trump sending in troops to stop fascists when local police aren't doing anything about them.
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You are too intelligent not to see the difference between STATES violating the Federal Constitution and PRIVATE individuals voicing an opinion that is at odds with the same.

Bad comparison is bad.
 
MostlyDead said:
That they do not is very telling, IMO.
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They sometimes do. Couple of weeks ago there was some meeting by Trump supporters and some neo-nazi groups had decided to show up. So antifa also decided to show up to oppose the neo-nazi groups, and the meeting organizers squarely sided with antifa and the neo-nazis eventually walked off.
 
thaiboxerken said:
White supremacists show up to an event looking for a fight... then proceed to play victim when violence happens.
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Well, they are superior. We are destined always to admire their tactics and strategy - at least those activities which our mud-brains can handle.
 
PhantomWolf said:
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I'm not sure how totalitarianism is supposed to help extend people's lives when it clearly doesn't in actual totalitarian states. ...
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It is not.
Caveman insinuated that capitalism is the root cause of 300,000 deaths annually (in the USA, I think). Here is the argument chain:

1. He cited that poverty causes additional deaths (which is certainly true),
2. ...AND that capitalism is the reason for poverty;
3. THEREFORE capitalism kills 300,000.

What he didn't consider is the fact that non-capitalism makes people even poorer, and is correlated with even lower life expectancy, such that non-capitalism would kill much more than those 300K if it were the social system in the USA.
In turn, Caveman ought to have argued that capitalism, for pulling the poor up to higher levels of wealth and education than any sort of non-capitalism, actually SAVES lots of lives.
 
caveman1917 said:
They sometimes do. Couple of weeks ago there was some meeting by Trump supporters and some neo-nazi groups had decided to show up. So antifa also decided to show up to oppose the neo-nazi groups, and the meeting organizers squarely sided with antifa and the neo-nazis eventually walked off.
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An excellent sign. I hadn't heard of that, do you recall where and when? And did antifa leave after the neos cleared out?
 
caveman1917 said:
They sometimes do. Couple of weeks ago there was some meeting by Trump supporters and some neo-nazi groups had decided to show up. So antifa also decided to show up to oppose the neo-nazi groups, and the meeting organizers squarely sided with antifa and the neo-nazis eventually walked off.
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Citation?
 
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