Ed Dueling protests spark state of emergency in Virginia.

Bob001 said:
CNN and others are reporting that the Nazis showed up wearing helmets, carrying bats, pipes and police-style shields, and brandishing rifles (VA is an open-carry state). Police -- who apparently had maintained a relatively low-key presence -- decided that this was more than a peaceful assembly.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...5fb636-7f13-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html

And I'm pretty sure the UK has had experience at dealing with armed mobs.
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True, I agree after seeing some photo that the neo nazi were clearly waiting for a brawl.
But the local antifa were utter idiot. And that does not make it unlawful IMO.

I have a loooong experience with this idiot with manif' in Paris agaisnt neo nazi and other assorted brown and black shirts. When you organize such a manif you ALWAYS give the order of the security cordon (the group designed to be on the outside to direct the manif direction) to avoid confrontation, keep long distance, and if the nazi come toward for a brawl, to direct the manif away and back the damn off.

The reason is not cowardice, but the reason is that fascist will now have away to tell that antifa fought with them and their right of speech was trampled. It will naturally not fucntion with all of us (anything center or left) but it will work wonder in the right and win them brownie points and far more importantly win recruits and allow them to have their **** be put on the same level as normal discourse.

That is why you back off and avoid confrontation, and sometimes you don't even counter protest, that kills their hope to be promoted on news platform, or at least make that promotion short.

Now it will be a long promotion and national or even international -again for the right wing which was their target-.

I repeat the antifa were idiot and played into the hand of the nazi.
 
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Brainster said:
When white nationalists and antifa battle it out in the streets all I can say is, pass the popcorn.
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I understand the sentiment, but the problem is innocent people always get hurt in these incidents.

Now if could lock the two sides in a stadium....
 
dudalb said:
B.S,frankly.
I am betting the Brits have something similar when a demonstration is turning violent.
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They have like in many country, but it does not target the manifestation, protest, it target the people doing the violent stuff.

The subttle difference is that you can let one be legal -the protest- and arrest all the violent person. But declaring the protest illegal... is tantamount of going agaisnt free speech/freedom of opinion or whichever speech law count in each of our respective countries.
 
Jim_MDP said:
Are you buying it?
That account is rather thin... and one sided.

Considering half their wet dreams appear to be throwing beatdowns on brown people, and cops/Gov't... that all reads rather snowflake-ish. :rolleyes:

LOL. :D
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More like selling it.
 
And, although my opinion of Antififa and other violent protestors on the Left is very low, It is pretty clear the Hitler Huggers/Neo COnfedeates were the agressors here.
This incident just provides more proof that the Civil War is the central event in American history. More then 150 years later, it still can provoke violence.
William Faulkner said it best:
"The past is not dead, it's not even past".
 
Aepervius said:
They have like in many country, but it does not target the manifestation, protest, it target the people doing the violent stuff.

The subttle difference is that you can let one be legal -the protest- and arrest all the violent person. But declaring the protest illegal... is tantamount of going agaisnt free speech/freedom of opinion or whichever speech law count in each of our respective countries.
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Nice exercise in semantics. The only time the Unlawful Assembly is declared is when a protest is turning into a riot.
Anyway, from this and other comments you are know on "Just another Euro who dislikes America in General" list.
 
Jim_MDP said:
I'm not buying anything yet. There's going to be blame enough to go around.

I was asking if you were buying the account that the right 'ard Goose-steppers were hard done by, by the terrible police and those mean 'ol hippy types. :rolleyes:

But that's unfair on my part... plenty of lefty rock throwers in the world too. :mad:
I was just amused by the account you quoted. Aren't you the one constantly on us about biased sources? :confused:
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Anyone participating in the event on either side is going to be biased. Who knows what or who to believe? We choose who to believe until evidence is presented. I don't mind knowing the different perspectives.

We've seen plenty of hate by the far left and far right. I don't trust either to be more truthful than the other.

And rock throwers - sure.
 
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Bob001 said:
CNN and others are reporting that the Nazis showed up wearing helmets, carrying bats, pipes and police-style shields, and brandishing rifles (VA is an open-carry state). Police -- who apparently had maintained a relatively low-key presence -- decided that this was more than a peaceful assembly.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...5fb636-7f13-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html

And I'm pretty sure the UK has had experience at dealing with armed mobs.
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Who before marched into the UV campus with torches, well outside their permitted march that was supposed to take place today. Who also fired teargas at counter protestors.

I'm sure there are plenty of bad actors in the counter-protestors too (the red and black of antifia is never a good sign), but the actual Nazi have decided on a pretty big escalation from property damage and some brawls.

Don't worry, the conservatives will be around to blame the left-wing rioters from earlier even if they were condemned by vast portions of the left already.
 
dudalb said:
And, although my opinion of Antififa and other violent protestors on the Left is very low, It is pretty clear the Hitler Huggers/Neo COnfedeates were the agressors here.
This incident just provides more proof that the Civil War is the central event in American history. More then 150 years later, it still can provoke violence.
William Faulkner said it best:
"The past is not dead, it's not even past".
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This.
 
dudalb said:
And, although my opinion of Antififa and other violent protestors on the Left is very low, It is pretty clear the Hitler Huggers/Neo COnfedeates were the agressors here.
This incident just provides more proof that the Civil War is the central event in American history. More then 150 years later, it still can provoke violence.
William Faulkner said it best:
"The past is not dead, it's not even past".
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Still seeking to bring us back to those good ol 'Murican values, blacks in the fields, women in the kitchen, and some good old fashioned workplace sexual harrassment (I mean, whate else are those leggy secretaries for?) :rolleyes:
 
I have quite a bit of sympathy with Brainster's "Let Them Fight" post,except that innocent people always get hurt.
 
dudalb said:
Nice exercise in semantics. The only time the Unlawful Assembly is declared is when a protest is turning into a riot.
Anyway, from this and other comments you are know on "Just another Euro who dislikes America in General" list.
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Whatever. Or maybe I have a far more experience protesting and march than you.

The reason the difference is not rethoric is that we had a long history in France of people (sometimes hired) trying to break a protest or throwing it into bad light, by having confrontation with them. So making *both* identical as you seem to say, allowed the local force and news to put the whole protest into the news as bad guys.

That is why it is not rethorical. You should always make sure only the violence is stopped, not the protest. If the protest is 100% organized violence then yes you should stop it. But I am betting that even if they organized that, if they have half the brain cell the local black shirt we protested against, they had a whole major slice of the protest being non violent, so that they can pretend to to be suppressed.

Declaring it unlawful PLAYS exactly in the black shirt handbook.

As for your kip about me being Anti American, you have truly no idea whatsoever. In fact I suspect it is an ad hom.
 
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mgidm86 said:
Anyone participating in the event on either side is going to be biased. Who knows what or who to believe? We choose who to believe until evidence is presented. I don't mind knowing the different perspectives.

We've seen plenty of hate by the far left and far right. I don't trust either to be more truthful than the other.
And rock throwers - sure.
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I trust the anti-Nazi's before I trust the Nazi's. That's my bias.
 
Everything is about him. Always.

A quick synopsis... America is great. Doing really great. Better than ever. Oh, yeah, that thing in Charlottesville. The Governor? He thanked me. Can't we all get along? Ok, now veterans. I love verterans.
 
dudalb said:
As for "Unlawful Assembly" here is the 1986 UK law on Public Order

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Order_Act_1986

Not much difference between this and US public order laws. Just a matter of Semantics,really.
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"Unlawful assembly" was explicitly removed from Britain law in 1986.

An unlawful assembly which has made a motion towards its common purpose was termed a rout, and if the unlawful assembly should proceed to carry out its purpose, e.g. begin to demolish a particular enclosure, it became a riot. All three offences were misdemeanours in English law, punishable by fine and imprisonment. The offence was abolished by the Public Order Act 1986.
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And as I explain above the difference is not rethorical.

ETA: Heck read your own link section 9 "Section 9 - Offences abolished"
 
chrispy said:
Trump says 'bigotry and violence on many sides'. Because of course he did.
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I can't remember ever yelling at the TV, especially at a person acting as our President. But that set me off on a tirage.

(eta -- I meant to type "tirade" but I think the other word is better.)
 
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