General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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Nessie said:
That is a lot of liars. To which you have to add millions who did not die as claimed and numerous governments which list those people as dead. That is a massive CT.
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And as demonstrated in this discussion, most of these "governments which list people as dead" were not friendly to Jews and had absolutely no motive to fake anything on their behalf. In particular, the USSR's policy was to cover up the Genocide against the Jews. Not only would this alleged CT need to have been massive, but it also directly contradicts the policies of the nations alleged to have perpetrated it, making it impossible.
 
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Ivanesca said:
And as demonstrated in this discussion, most of these "governments which list people as dead" were not friendly to Jews and had absolutely no motive to fake anything on their behalf. In particular, the USSR's policy was to cover up the Genocide against the Jews. A massive and impossible CT.
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Which brings us back to this, a request for a history or at least a minimal account of the hoax, something its advocates are extremely reticent to provide.
 
LemmyCaution said:
Which brings us back to this, a request for a history or at least a minimal account of the hoax, something its advocates are extremely reticent to provide.
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To be fair, they can't provide an account of something non-existent.

We have the same issue with another division of The Stupidati; Moon hoax believers. They throw barbs and point out anomalies, and claim Apollo was faked, but when you ask the to come up with a an account of how it all might have been done, they go quiet.
 
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OK Saggy, you've whiffed on the Netherlands, Liepaja, the NKVD, Porter's quote-mine and everything else. Let's try another one, the fate of Warsaw Jews.

A few years ago Eric Hunt made a video claiming he had evidence that many 1000s of deportees to Treblinka had been transferred East. He came to SSF to defend his video and utterly failed, his data shown to be sketchy, his claims erroneous, his chronology wrong, and his interpretations groundless. A number of us who post here were part of that discussion, including Nick Terry, Matthew Ellard, and Nessie.

Eric abandoned the SSF discussion in seeming frustration and later posted a plea for help: "I would like to form a team to get as much new information about where did the Warsaw Jews go from July 22nd - September 21st 1942 . . ." He chose this time frame because it was during the height of Treblinka's operation and all he'd been able to muster in reality had been small-scale transfers from Treblinka to labor camps in 1943, already known and discussed in a postwar trial and by historians. Hunt knew that if he couldn't show transit east from Treblinka for the main deportations of Warsaw Jews, his resettlement claims were undone.

No one helped Hunt with his request. As a result, at some point Hunt took down his plea from the web.

Later he abandoned revisionism, unable to prove "transit" or resettlement.

But you are sticking with denial. So here's your chance to win Eric back and show us your evidence and explanation for "new information about where did the Warsaw Jews go from July 22nd - September 21st 1942 . . ."

We're all ears, Saggy.
 
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LeoMajor said:
BING!

http://www.muzeum.com.pl/en/chelmno.htm#

This provides details of numerous graves in the area of the Chelmno extermination camp that were subjected to invasive archaeological examination that found evidence consistent with cremains.

How the phuck were you unaware of this?
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<SNIP>

(EDIT) Just for fun, let's add the requirement that one of the excavated bodies show signs of cyanide poisoning :)

(EDIT 2) For additional laughs, let's make it the BIGGEST excavated holohoax mass grave.

(EDIT 3) definition of grave: a hole dug in the ground to receive a coffin or dead body, typically marked by a stone or mound. 'Cremains' are a different subject, and would be buried in cremation pits I suppose. But be forewarned, cremation pits take us right to the absurdity of Aktion 1005.

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SNIP'ed; issuing "warnings" to fellow members is hardly civil - please do not do so again.
 
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(EDIT) Just for fun, let's add the requirement that one of the excavated bodies show signs of cyanide poisoning :)

(EDIT 2) For additional laughs, let's make it the BIGGEST excavated holohoax mass grave.

(EDIT 3) definition of grave: a hole dug in the ground to receive a coffin or dead body, typically marked by a stone or mound. 'Cremains' are a different subject, and would be buried in cremation pits I suppose. But be forewarned, cremation pits take us right to the absurdity of Aktion 1005.
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Hey saggy, did you read that Wikipedia link I sent you earlier? Did it help? Let me know, thanks.
 
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Saggy said:
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(EDIT) Just for fun, let's add the requirement that one of the excavated bodies show signs of cyanide poisoning :)

(EDIT 2) For additional laughs, let's make it the BIGGEST excavated holohoax mass grave.

(EDIT 3) definition of grave: a hole dug in the ground to receive a coffin or dead body, typically marked by a stone or mound. 'Cremains' are a different subject, and would be buried in cremation pits I suppose. But be forewarned, cremation pits take us right to the absurdity of Aktion 1005.
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Well Saggy, I feel compelled to post links to two of my previous posts as you have clearly missed them or, more probably, did not even bother to read and understand their content:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11945530&postcount=2957

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11945549&postcount=2958

As I explained there are hundreds of mass graves found and identified in Ukraine, Poland, Belarus and Russia. And even more testimonies who proves these mass graves contain the remains of Jews killed by nazi Einsatzgruppen between June 1941 and 1944. Not all Hews were gassed and you know it really well even if you do not want to admits well established and proven historical facts.
 
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Why not CO? Why nothing discussed by Muehkenkamp? Saggy is well and truly spooked by Muehlenkamp!
 
But honestly LeoMajor asked Saggy a question and Saggy's response is to ask a different question and pile on restrictions and demands? Gimme a break dude.
 
LemmyCaution said:
Why not CO? Why nothing discussed by Muehkenkamp? Saggy is well and truly spooked by Muehlenkamp!
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If you want to debate Muehlenkamp you can go to CODOH and debate him directly. I myself would not waste my time reading that idiot, much less 'debating' him.
 
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(EDIT) Just for fun, let's add the requirement that one of the excavated bodies show signs of cyanide poisoning :)

(EDIT 2) For additional laughs, let's make it the BIGGEST excavated holohoax mass grave.

(EDIT 3) definition of grave: a hole dug in the ground to receive a coffin or dead body, typically marked by a stone or mound. 'Cremains' are a different subject, and would be buried in cremation pits I suppose. But be forewarned, cremation pits take us right to the absurdity of Aktion 1005.
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Forensic testing and archaeological excavations found large areas of cremated remains at the sites, so we are dealing with cremation pits.
 
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Why would we debate Muehlencamp? It's more fun to watch him torch the morons. CODOH is a cesspool.
BTW, do you actually believe that history records six million Jews were murdered in gas chambers disguised as shower rooms?
 
Saggy said:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cremains

Origin and Etymology of cremains
blend of cremated and remains
NEW!
First Known Use: 1947

How about that. I suspected as much.
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Oh for heavens sake! Surely, nobody can be this unable to understand what they are reading!

Do you really not understand that 1947 is THE FIRST USE OF THE WORD "CREMAINS"!!! It doesn't mean that cremated remains didn't exist before that!

FFS man, get a bloody grip!
 
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smartcooky said:
Oh for heavens sake! Surely, nobody can be this unable to understand what they are reading!

Do you really not understand that 1947 is THE FIRST USE OF THE WORD "CREMAINS"!!! It doesn't mean that cremated remains didn't exist before that!

FFS man, get a bloody grip!
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Yeah like wooden buildings or ships never caught fire with people inside.....Saggy really isn't trying very hard is he?

Oldest known cremation 40,000 years

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2003/02/20/788032.htm

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Saggy said:
If you want to debate Muehlenkamp you can go to CODOH and debate him directly. I myself would not waste my time reading that idiot, much less 'debating' him.
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Once again you failed to answer what you were asked.

First question: Why Zyklon B and not CO? Reason: more than 1/2 the gassing victims during the Holocaust died from CO yet you exclude that cause of death. You thereby exclude over half the gassings. A little bogus, eh?

Second question: Why doesn't anything Muehlenkamp has found count? You know well that Muehlenkamp has studied this matter - he clearly terrifies you - and excluding his findings is also therefore bogus.

In addition, you now suggest I want to debate Muehlenkamp. Wot?
 
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