General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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Saggy said:
The NKVD from the beginning was a Jewish dominated organization...

December 20 Secret Police

"Cheka, the first incarnation of the Soviet secret police (NKVD), was established on this date in 1917. Many Jews played leading roles in the secret police, and even more fell victim to it.
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Jews were not overrpresented in the leadership of the Secret Police until the 1930's and never dominated it (50%+). In the Red Terror Latvians played a more predominant role. Jews were overrpresented among the early Cheka in the Ukraine but that was a regional exception to the general pattern in 1917-22.

“About 40 percent of high-ranking NKVD officers had Jewish nationality recorded in their identity documents,” writes Yale University professor Timothy Snyder in Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin
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Snyder refers to the state of affairs in 1935-36. You are conflating it with the state of affairs in 1917-22. You ignorance is glaring.


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That's Felix Dzerzhinsky - a Pole.
 
Saggy, it just hit me, given the stunt you pulled with the "quicklime" quotation, you're ignoring Nessie's questions about the murder of Jews from the Netherlands because Holohoax 101 doesn't have even garbled nonsense about it, right?
 
Axxman300 said:
I don't get it, Saggy spreads dated Nazi propaganda about the Soviets, but then turns around and denigrates the S.S. by saying they failed at exterminating the Jews. You can't eat half a doughnut here.
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His constant assault on the reputation and legacy of the SS is really uncalled for. Those men did what they did - and it was not easy - and they should be, well, recognized for it. Saggy should measure his words more carefully. At the very least, he should post some proofs of the claims he makes against the SS and his insistence that they were failures.
 
Jeffk 1970 said:
Um, Yagoda died in 1938. Also, he was nothing more than Stalin's lap dog.
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Until Uncle Joe decided that Yagoda was getting a little too much power, and had him arrested and shot......being a lapdog for Stalin was a very dangerous job. Stalin got tired of his lapdogs very quickly.
 
LeoMajor said:
In provincial departments that number was lower. the 39% is an averaging out of all top officers. It was higher than that among the heads of specialist departments but Much, much lower in the regional directors, who were the actual implimentors of collectivization. The NKVD officer who oversaw the Holodomar for example was Stanislaus Redens, a Latvian and Stalins son-in-law. The Purge in Leningrad was overseen by Gregori Molakachev, a Russian. It was a bit old mix of losers of all stripes, not dominated by any group.
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Da joos. Everything is under the control of da joos. Trump elected as potus? Da joos. Had Hillary been elected? Da joos. Qbama Bin Laden? Da joos.
 
Its about 8:30 Saturday morning here, and I have just spent the last half hour catching up on the postings made in the wee small hours. It has been fun watching as Saggy gets yet another thorough spanking from the Holocaust literati.

Let the entertainment continue :popcorn1
 
smartcooky said:
Its about 8:30 Saturday morning here, and I have just spent the last half hour catching up on the postings made in the wee small hours. It has been fun watching as Saggy gets yet another thorough spanking from the Holocaust literati.

Let the entertainment continue :popcorn1
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Weirdly, deeply unaware that the holo-whatever nonsense is being spanked around the room from all sides.

I am unsure how it is even vaguely possible that any individual can be sufficiently self-deluded so as to not remotely even notice how embarrassing that is.
 
LeoMajor said:
I hate dropping links but you leave me no choice.

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.ca/2009/05/belzec-mass-graves-and-archaeology-my.html

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.ca/2009/05/belzec-mass-graves-and-archaeology-my_30.html#[23]

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/ar/modern/archreview.html

http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/cortagravatas/media/bWVkaWFJZDo2ODE3NDI5Nw==/?ref=

Do not post again until you have read the content of the links
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Do not post again until you have identified and described one excavated holohoax mass grave and provided a non Muehlenkamp link

Is that too much to ask?

And, let me reiterate, there is not a single excavated holohoax mass grave.
 
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Saggy said:
Do not post again until you have identified and described one excavated holohoax mass grave and provided a non Muehlenkamp link

Is that too much to ask?

And, let me reiterate, there is not a single excavated holohoax mass grave.
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What the actual <bleep>?

That's it. Stick a fork innit. You are truly done.
 
Saggy said:
Do not post again until you have identified and described one excavated holohoax mass grave and provided a non Muehlenkamp link

Is that too much to ask?

And, let me reiterate, there is not a single excavated holohoax mass grave.
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Let me reiterate, excavating ground where cremated remains have been buried is not like excavating mass graves of corpses. No ID, number of bodies and cause of death can be found from the cremated remains.

What has happened is Belzec, Chelmno, TII and Sobibor have been subject to surveys, using various methods, which have establish the presence of cremated remains and the approximate areas of those remains.

Let me also reiterate that you keep dodging your conclusion of millions did not die, is as yet unevidenced. So, starting with the Dutch Jews, give me proof of life after c34,000 had been deported to Sobibor.
 
The 2012 archaeological report on work at Sobibor

http://sobibor.info.pl/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/SobibĂłr-Bem-Mazurek-ANG..pdf

which Saggy will not read, since it contains evidence proving the scale of cremated remains buried at the camp.

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Nessie said:
Let me reiterate, excavating ground where cremated remains have been buried is not like excavating mass graves of corpses. No ID, number of bodies and cause of death can be found from the cremated remains.

What has happened is Belzec, Chelmno, TII and Sobibor have been subject to surveys, using various methods, which have establish the presence of cremated remains and the approximate areas of those remains.
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Now we're getting somewhere. There are no mass graves containing bodies because the Nazis destroyed all the evidence, burned all the bodies. Six million killed in gas chambers disguised as shower rooms in the best documented genocide in history, and yet there are no bodies, no murder weapons, i.e. gas chambers, and no documents.

The Nazis committed the perfect crime. Burned the bodies, dynamited the gas chambers, and shredded the documents.

Except of course for the eyewitnesses ..... :) really this is the most idiotic and absurd hoax ever.
 
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Saggy said:
Do not post again until you have identified and described one excavated holohoax mass grave and provided a non Muehlenkamp link

Is that too much to ask?

And, let me reiterate, there is not a single excavated holohoax mass grave.
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This guy has found several hundreds of holocaust mass graves in Ukraine and got testimonies of eye witnesses who could tell what happened there and how it happened: http://www.yahadinunum.org/

His website has even an interactive map to all mass executions sites he could find.

You might also read his book. It has been translated into English.
 
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Saggy said:
Now we're getting somewhere. There are no mass graves containing bodies because the Nazis destroyed all the evidence, burned all the bodies. Six million killed in gas chambers disguised as shower rooms in the best documented genocide in history, and yet there are no bodies, no murder weapons, i.e. gas chambers, and no documents.

The Nazis committed the perfect crime. Burned the bodies, dynamited the gas chambers, and shredded the documents.

Except of course for the eyewitnesses ..... :) really this is the most idiotic and absurd hoax ever.
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You have been told countless times here and probably on other web forums too that :

1. the counts of Jews killed by the nazis ranges from 5.2 to 5.9 millions according to the estimates
2. the figures of Jews dead by gassing range from 2.5 to 3 millions
3. the others were killed by firing squads (approximately 1.5 millions) or by bad treatments, including voluntary starvation.

As I explained in my previous post numerous mass graves (with real bodies of the victims) have been found or identified during the last 70 years. Only ignorants or deniers don't know this.
 
Degeneve said:
This guy has found several hundreds of holocaust mass graves in Ukraine and got testimonies of eye witnesses who could tell what happened there and how it happened: http://www.yahadinunum.org/

His website has even an interactive map to all mass executions sites he could find.

You might also read his book. It has been translated into English.
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Actual evidence? No, saggy does not swing that way. Those durn joos faked it because nazi's said so.
 
Saggy said:
Six million killed in gas chambers disguised as shower rooms in the best documented genocide in history, and yet there are no bodies, no murder weapons, i.e. gas chambers, and no documents.
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Um, Saggy, are you related to Jim Rizoli by chance?

If you are going to debunk something you really need to understand what is you are trying to debunk.

Approximately half of those Jews that died did so in a gas chamber. The rest died from gunshot wounds or by disease, malnutrition or maltreatment.

I'll start slow with Wikipedia, you seem fond of it:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

Read through that, it'll give you the basics. I don't want to tax you too much to start with.

Let us know if you have questions.
 
Saggy said:
Now we're getting somewhere. There are no mass graves containing bodies because the Nazis destroyed all the evidence, burned all the bodies. Six million killed in gas chambers disguised as shower rooms in the best documented genocide in history, and yet there are no bodies, no murder weapons, i.e. gas chambers, and no documents.

The Nazis committed the perfect crime. Burned the bodies, dynamited the gas chambers, and shredded the documents.

Except of course for the eyewitnesses ..... :) really this is the most idiotic and absurd hoax ever.
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Parody post? "Six million killed in gas chambers" alone disqualifies it for any serious response.
 
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