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Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories V: Five for Fighting

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MicahJava said:
Jim Marrs, author of Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy, has recently passed away.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message3594690/pg1?disclaimer=1

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24127-jim-marrs-has-passed-away/
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Wow. Much citation, many crap. Crank is so bigly. Biggest crank ever.

MicahJava said:
Here is a free ebook of Crossfire, revised edition (epub file): http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=29F7F04B34A8A1976097287C6AD127C2
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GLP and Marrs. Those are your chosen citations? Sure, you made the attempt at sympathy because Marrs popped his clogs, but what of it? Does Marrs get to claiming the provenance of simply being deceased? That makes Marrs, in your world, sacrosanct?. It seems that being flat out dead is somehow a mark of of being right simply by dint of being dead.

Well, Newton is also dead, and he adhered to alchemy, among other nonsense. It seems that Newton's errors are irrelevant. As are Marr's. But you don't care.
 
Jim Marrs should be a cautionary tale of a smart guy who let himself become co-opted by CT Woo.

I was introduced to his work in 1985, "Crossfire" became my bible.

Like the Bible, "Crossfire" was filled with contradictions which became harder to ignore over time. In the end, after my awakening, I realized that all Marrs had done was throw every JFK-CT into a single book and hoped something would stick.

This suspicion was confirmed when he wrote "Alien Agenda" about UFO's, and the super-duper secret US Gub'mint conspiracy to keep the public from knowing "THE TRUTH". He regurgitated every hack UFO CT into this book, and then had the nerve to link the JFK Assassination to the UFO cover-up.

Marrs put his readers into a predicament: If they believed JFK was murdered in a secret Government conspiracy that conspiracy involved little green men.

In short, Marrs believed JFK was murdered by a plot that never happened to protect creatures that don't exist.

...but people who think Oswald acted alone are the nut-jobs...:thumbsup:
 
What? He was but a man. He's not like the Warren Commission or HSCA with a whole team of investigators to double-check eachother (but still fail so hard).
 
abaddon said:
Made up out of whole cloth? Feel free to go there, it is amusing.
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Did Marrs say the Tague-curb fragment fit a Dal-Tex trajectory? Most LNers today tend to think it was a fragment from the head shot.
 
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MicahJava said:
What? He was but a man. He's not like the Warren Commission or HSCA with a whole team of investigators to double-check eachother (but still fail so hard).
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Oh, let's work backwards here...

The Warren Commission and the HSCA were a waste of time and money because they were unnecessary. The Secret Service, FBI, and Dallas PD were capable of a solid investigation of an open and shut case. LBJ complicated the picture with the Warren Commission because their scope was so wide, and drifted into issues like Cuba where they ran into a CIA wall guarding a variety of operational secrets, and the FBI's wall dealing with the Mafia. This made for an imperfect investigation with a sound conclusion.
The HSCA came about because there was enough paranoia - I mean doubt - about the Warren Commission that Congress was happy to put on a second Dog & Pony show to try and shut the CT-loons up.

And then there's Jim Marrs.

The guy was gifted at spinning a yarn, and he could smell easy money a mile away. Crossfire opened the door to 14 books, all about conspiracies.

I'm sorry but there is no way he could have stood on Elm Street and not seen how easy the shots were to make. He would have known DPD officers who would have told him there was no way they'd let Tippet's killer walk away, and that if there was any doubt his killer was Oswald they would have torn eastern Texas apart looking for him...not some patsy.

Marrs was ahead of the CT game, and made a good living off of soft-headed people like I used to be.
 
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bknight said:
What did the analysis of the fragment indicate? Why is a trajectory from the Dal-Tex building required? Hand waving and one liners from CT books doesn't cut the mustard.

Now what was your point?
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Although it may seem unlikely that a fragment of lead from the head shot got that far, it also seems unlikely that a bullet hit there and barely took out any concrete. It would be very difficult to imagine a single-assassin scinareo where that came from the snipers nest, but it doesn't require a conspiratorial alternative explination.
 
Axxman - back to the subjects I've been posting about before - the Warren Commission never gave any discussion to the official autopsy x-rays and photographs. Only testimony from the Doctors without consulting the films beforehand. Using simple logic, the Warren Commission accepted the low EOP location for the small head wound, because obviously you should at least listen to the people who were there handling the body for several hours. They didn't invent a new entry wound when they saw that such a trajectory would be very unlikely.

We've talked about the HSCA, who did invent a new entry wound, and the blatant contradictions in the evidence that this "new-and-improved" wound location brings. I have seen no explination to these issues besides stalling and making stuff up.
 
MicahJava said:
Although it may seem unlikely that a fragment of lead from the head shot got that far, it also seems unlikely that a bullet hit there and barely took out any concrete. It would be very difficult to imagine a single-assassin scinareo where that came from the snipers nest, but it doesn't require a conspiratorial alternative explination explanation.
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You are putting words in my mouth, that I didn't speak. Clearly you have comprehension issues. I'll post my previous quote.

What did the analysis of the bullet fragment indicate? Why is a trajectory from the Dal-Tex building required? Hand waving and one liners from CT books doesn't cut the mustard.

Now what was your point?
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My bolding of your post. You were the one that brought up the subject of the bullet fragment on the curb, not I. Is this the best you have to offer?
 
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MicahJava said:
Although it may seem unlikely that a fragment of lead from the head shot got that far, it also seems unlikely that a bullet hit there and barely took out any concrete. It would be very difficult to imagine a single-assassin scinareo where that came from the snipers nest, but it doesn't require a conspiratorial alternative explination.
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OK. What scenario do you "imagine"? So far, you are silent on that beyond claiming there was one or more other shooters using fantasy, silenced, low velocity weapons from the vantage point of nowhere which cannot possibly work. In that scenario, JFK had a hatload of invisible bullets from all directions, all of which vanished without trace. As did the gunmen, the guns, the bullets, the wounds, everything.

That is your claim. Grassy knoll shooter, sewer shooter, storm drain shooter, Daltex shooter, the whole nine yards. These shooters, according to you, were variously soldiers, CIA, FBI, NSA, spec-ops, mafiosi, communists, cubans, russians, and Ted Cruz's dad.
 
MicahJava said:
Although it may seem unlikely that a fragment of lead from the head shot got that far, it also seems unlikely that a bullet hit there and barely took out any concrete. It would be very difficult to imagine a single-assassin scinareo where that came from the snipers nest, but it doesn't require a conspiratorial alternative explination.
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What's your explanation for it? Not that you've had any explanations so far.
 
bknight said:
You are putting words in my mouth, that I didn't speak. Clearly you have comprehension issues. I'll post my previous quote.



My bolding of your post. You were the one that brought up the subject of the bullet fragment on the curb, not I. Is this the best you have to offer?
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What was Jim Marrs talking about when he alledgedly said something about a trajectory from the Dal-Tex? I'm assuming he considered the back wound to have no exit, and the large head wound to be a shot from the front.
 
MicahJava said:
Axxman - back to the subjects I've been posting about before - the Warren Commission never gave any discussion to the official autopsy x-rays and photographs. Only testimony from the Doctors without consulting the films beforehand. Using simple logic, the Warren Commission accepted the low EOP location for the small head wound, because obviously you should at least listen to the people who were there handling the body for several hours. They didn't invent a new entry wound when they saw that such a trajectory would be very unlikely.

We've talked about the HSCA, who did invent a new entry wound, and the blatant contradictions in the evidence that this "new-and-improved" wound location brings. I have seen no explination to these issues besides stalling and making stuff up.
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There was nothing to discuss as far as the autopsy went. There are - STILL - only two bullet wounds to the president: One in the back (exiting the throat), and one to the back of the head.

The trajectory lines up with the corner window of the 6th floor of the TSBD. That you choose not to believe this is your malfunction.

As far as the HSCA goes, if it was a ranch in Texas it would be called "The Circle-J". It was a circus of CT nimrods, and former government types telling conflicting accounts, bad audio recordings passed off as evidence, and no consistent narrative. It was nothing more than an attempt to give the mentally ill their "day in court" and shut them up,period.

There is no second wound to the head. The concept is so vastly stupid there isn't a word for such nincompoopery. The assassination is on film from two decent angles, there is NO other head-shot.

Even Jim Marrs was never this dumb.
 
MicahJava said:
What was Jim Marrs talking about when he alledgedly said something about a trajectory from the Dal-Tex? I'm assuming he considered the back wound to have no exit, and the large head wound to be a shot from the front.
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So...you've never read Jim Marrs...but you bring him up...okay...great research skills....
 
MicahJava said:
What was Jim Marrs talking about when he alledgedly said something about a trajectory from the Dal-Tex? I'm assuming he considered the back wound to have no exit, and the large head wound to be a shot from the front.
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Who cares? It isn't as if you have any cogent alternate. To date, all you have come up with is utter nothingness. It may well be that you get your jollies that way, but you have nothing to offer by way of evidence for anything.
 
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