The police don't determine if someone is guilty.
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Police brutality and a few "bad apples"
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The police don't determine if someone is guilty.
NoahFence
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Well at least it saves on airfare. I was going to go to the Philippines to see what a wreckless, sackless, lying piece of **** does with his police force - but I guess I can just stay home!
Win win!
Win win!
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Mumbles
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And I fully expect that by "criminals" you actually mean "black people" or "non-white immigrants".
Let's be clear on what we're actually discussing. Toupee Fiasco is, as we've seen, hostile to anyone who is not white. And so, as we've seen over and over for the past century, law enforcement is simply a tool to use for this aim.
This was expected. Every time black folks make a gain, people freak out. My only surprise is that folks voted for someone as clearly incompetent as Cheeto Benito, to follow up against Obama.
Really, you could not make white people look worse, America. I feel embarrassed for you.
But in any case, we've seen, again and again, folks rally in favor of police shooting innocent black people. So this is really a question for you. What're you going to say, now that it's a cop that shot and killed an innocent white person?
William Parcher
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What? Do they throw darts at a board to decide who to arrest?
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You clearly think that whole 'innocent until proven guilty' and due process thing is a colossal waste of time.
I tell you what, if I'm arrested, I'll have a trial. If you're arrested, you can just have a sentencing hearing.
Of course not. Why rely on random chance when you've got good solid racial biases you can rely on?
William Parcher
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Is that right? I hadn't noticed that you somehow climbed inside my mind.
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William Parcher
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So I have been "arrested by some thuggish forum cops" based on a few words I said. Am I not afforded a trial by jury to examine the evidences of my mind, or am I to face immediate brutality for the "crime" as it was initially observed to be?
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What else was I supposed to infer? Or was your statement deliberately vague so you could feign indigence at any response at all.
Perhaps you want to be a little more explicit about what you mean?
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You may be confused. Judge Dredd is a movie. In real life giving police the power to convict and punish suspects is a mark of vicious dictatorships.
Oh, I would place him even a bit earlier- say 1850? You know- the good old times when everyone knew his and her place in society. With Sessions and his cronies place in rocking chairs on the veranda of the plantation sipping bourbon and discussing all the traits that make white males superior to all others.
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That's another good analogy. I'd rather not waste a breath arguing against you on this, when there's far more important people that we could both attack.
Actually, several posters have presented possible "excuses" for it in that thread. Might want to note that for future situations!!!!!!!
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This sort of flip and incorrect statement should, of course, get corrected every time it's trotted out but it does get tiresome.
The AMERICAN PEOPLE DID NOT elect Trump — the (more easily bribeable) ELECTORAL COLLEGE ELECTED TRUMP. The useless vote that THE PEOPLE cast was overwhelmingly for Clinton.
Which means that, if the people's vote for president actually mattered, we would NOT have Trump in office right this second.
Because it's a sign of how ethical and moral you are and how able you are to uphold just and moral and ethical principles with those who are different than yourself.
It's blatantly apparent that there are very few Americans who value ethics and morals to any appreciable degree and we get responses just like yours (along with their applauders).
Mumbles
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I mean what I said. Stop looking at the President to reform policing.
We know that Toupee Fiasco is against good policing. But let's look past him, and past the presidency in general.
The people that really matter here are your local mayor, the county board, the local prosecutor. These are the people you need to talk to, if you really want to make a difference in this. They are the ones who decide if racial harassment is okay, they set up the bail system, they set up the prison system.
And so, they're the folks that we need to go after.
We know that Toupee Fiasco is against good policing. But let's look past him, and past the presidency in general.
The people that really matter here are your local mayor, the county board, the local prosecutor. These are the people you need to talk to, if you really want to make a difference in this. They are the ones who decide if racial harassment is okay, they set up the bail system, they set up the prison system.
And so, they're the folks that we need to go after.
Oh I see! Your confusion stems from the definition of "brutality". When we speak of "police brutality", we don't generally mean that the police are jovially mocking a suspect's online comments.
Absolutely. Also, we don't molly coddle bank robbers and murderers. We respect their constitutional rights but, once they're convicted, we tend to give them lengthy prison sentences in unpleasant environments. I'll admit that some rapists get off a bit easier than I'd like. Not the job of the police to solve that problem, though.