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Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories V: Five for Fighting

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CORed said:
Interesting. It's likely to shoot more holes in a lot of conspiracy theories, but I'm sure the conspiracy crowd will also find lots of ways to cherry-pick the information to support new conspiracy theories, and the contradictions between those and the old conspiracy theories will be ignored.
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It's going to be a treasure trove of out-of-context claims which will reveal all (except who did it and how), coming to a self-publisher near you soon!

Hank
 
CORed said:
Interesting. It's likely to shoot more holes in a lot of conspiracy theories, but I'm sure the conspiracy crowd will also find lots of ways to cherry-pick the information to support new conspiracy theories, and the contradictions between those and the old conspiracy theories will be ignored.
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A "conspiracy of the gaps". :D
 
bknight said:
Why do you continue to nit-pick statements. Both of you have indicated a bone saw was used. Axxman300's comment "a non-issue" is appropriate. Quit beating a dead horse.
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If you want to posit an entry wound in the cowlick, 4+ inches above the external occipital protuberance, then these details are very important. Everything can be easily explained by a lower wound, only slightly above the external occipital protuberance.
 
Axxman300 said:
Good, because the X-rays are separate, and there are between 9 and 14 of them. We've seen 3.




This a lie.

First, the pictures that have leaked are not the full-color 35mm pictures, but a lower resolution B&W B-roll of film taken along side the official photographs. Same is true with the few graphic color shots.

You have not seen the official photos. For that matter neither I nor any other layman has seen them.


You do not have enough visual information to draw any logical conclusions other than there was extensive damage to JFK's head from a powerful missile.
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What do the rest of the pictures show? Enough people have seen them, catalogued them, and discussed them for you to give a straight answer.

Really? Because you can see the scalp had already incised, and you don't do that UNLESS YOU'VE SAWED OPEN THE SKULL, and since the brain has been removed in the picture you can assume this is toward the end of the autopsy...well normal people can assume, I can't speak for you...
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Um, can you rephrase that? You're supposed to incise the scalp first, then peel it back, then separate enough of the skull to reach the brain, then you work on the brain. Dr. Finck has described ordering photographs of the empty cranium to be taken a little after he arrived. So not "during the end of the autopsy".

And Humes discussed patching the head back together as best as he could before turning the body over the the family.

So we have visual evidence - that you keep posting - showing that the skull was at least partially sawed open, and we have the statement of Dr. Humes.

What we don't have is evidence of a second GSW to the head.
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Turning the body over to... the family? No, Kennedy's rotting corpse was not given to the family in a meat bag, it was given to Gawler's funeral home immediately after the autopsy. They were responsible for the cosmetic procedures, although Humes stuck around Bethesda hospital more or less supervising everything.
 
MicahJava said:
If you want to posit an entry wound in the cowlick, 4+ inches above the external occipital protuberance, then these details are very important. Everything can be easily explained by a lower wound, only slightly above the external occipital protuberance.
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Where did the lower shot come from?
 
MicahJava said:
What do the rest of the pictures show? ....
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A bunch of irrelevant **** done ad nauseam. No resets! NOT TODAY!

Kennedy is dead. The shots have been fired. The motorcade is speeding away. The shooter(s) suddenly realize that they need to get the **** out of there.


Where's Oswald at this point in time?
 
I understand that Harold Rydberg, forensic artist of the Warren Commission drawings directed by Dr. Humes, has recently passed away.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24104-harold-skip-rydberg/

These are his 1964 drawings, showing the low location for the small head wound, slightly above the external occipital protuberance:

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MicahJava said:
What do the rest of the pictures show? Enough people have seen them, catalogued them, and discussed them for you to give a straight answer.
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And the answer is the President was struck by two 6.5x52mm bullets fired from a Carcano rifle from the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository.

Um, can you rephrase that? You're supposed to incise the scalp first, then peel it back, then separate enough of the skull to reach the brain, then you work on the brain.
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Which is what happened. They had to work around the massive hole from the GSW, which made the process tricky as Humes stated.


Dr. Finck has described ordering photographs of the empty cranium to be taken a little after he arrived. So not "during the end of the autopsy".
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Except that Humes was the one directing photography, not Finck. Since the brain has been removed the photo was taken at the end of that part of the autopsy.


Turning the body over to... the family? No, Kennedy's rotting corpse was not given to the family in a meat bag, it was given to Gawler's funeral home immediately after the autopsy.
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Who worked for...? Oh, that's right, the Kennedy family. And family members were present in the hospital waiting for the body. Again, it's both a Catholic thing and a Kennedy thing.


They were responsible for the cosmetic procedures, although Humes stuck around Bethesda hospital more or less supervising everything.
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Which explains why he discussed how the head was put back together and patched up in case there was to be an open casket.
 
The autopsy doctors described when the photographs of the empty cranium were taken plenty of times. None of them say it was when the skull was reconstructed for the funeral. None of them say that -removed skull fragments were pieced back together in any way for the taking of the open-cranium photographs.
 
MicahJava said:
The autopsy doctors described when the photographs of the empty cranium were taken plenty of times. None of them say it was when the skull was reconstructed for the funeral. None of them say that -removed skull fragments were pieced back together in any way for the taking of the open-cranium photographs.
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It's an irrelevant point. Now drop it.
 
MicahJava said:
The autopsy doctors described when the photographs of the empty cranium were taken plenty of times. None of them say it was when the skull was reconstructed for the funeral. None of them say that -removed skull fragments were pieced back together in any way for the taking of the open-cranium photographs.
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So where did the two shots that hit JFK come from?
 
MicahJava said:
If you want to posit an entry wound in the cowlick, 4+ inches above the external occipital protuberance, then these details are very important. Everything can be easily explained by a lower wound, only slightly above the external occipital protuberance.
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Only in your mind not the rest of us. I have asked you once before, how many shots did the autopsy find hit JFK? How many shots did the HSCA find hit JFK?
 
MicahJava said:
The autopsy doctors described when the photographs of the empty cranium were taken plenty of times. None of them say it was when the skull was reconstructed for the funeral. None of them say that -removed skull fragments were pieced back together in any way for the taking of the open-cranium photographs.
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What makes you think all of the skull fragments are in the picture? Some of the shattered bone was attached to the flesh of the scalp, and pliable. The x-rays you keep posting show this, yet you can't figure it out.
 
Axxman300 said:
What makes you think all of the skull fragments are in the picture? Some of the shattered bone was attached to the flesh of the scalp, and pliable. The x-rays you keep posting show this, yet you can't figure it out.
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The open-cranium photographs were taken after the brain had already been removed.
 
MicahJava said:
Jim Marrs, author of Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy, has recently passed away.
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Yes, his books were simply fiction, so it is obvious he wasn't very high on the list of those who the conspirators had to eliminate because they knew too much. They could take their time getting around to him. Marrs knew next to nothing about the assassination and was more than content to spread rumors and innuendo than do any serious investigation.

Here's an example:
The Dallas police homicide report on J. D. Tippit of that day stated, “Suspect was later arrested in the balcony of the Texas Theater at 231 W. Jefferson.” A separate arrest report also stated Oswald’s arrest took place in the balcony.
Was someone else arrested in the Texas Theater? Not according to the official record. However, there is now evidence that perhaps another man was taken from the rear of the theater.

Bernard J. Haire owned Bernie’s Hobby House, located two doors east of the Texas Theater on West Jefferson.

On November 22, 1963, Haire, who was unaware of the assassination, saw the street in front of his business fill up with police cars. He went outside and saw a crowd gathered at the Texas Theater but could not see what was happening. Haire was captured at the rear of the crowd in at least one photograph taken when Oswald was brought from the theater by police.

Haire walked through his store and went into the alley, which he said was also filled with police cars. Walking toward the theater, Haire was opposite the rear door when police brought a young white man out. He said the man was dressed in a pullover shirt and slacks and appeared to be flushed as if having been in a struggle. Although Haire was unable to see whether the man was handcuffed, he was certainly under the impression that the man was under arrest. Haire watched police put the man in a patrol car and drive off.

For nearly twenty-five years Haire believed he had witnessed the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald. He was shocked to discover that Oswald had been handcuffed and brought out the front door of the theater. He commented, “I don’t know who I saw arrested.”

Neither does anyone else, but it is eloquent testimony that apparently someone other than Oswald led police to the Texas Theater and someone other than Oswald shot Tippit.


So, just from what Marrs posted, we know the above conclusion of Marrs is nonsense.

Why?

Because Bernard Haire was photographed in front of the Texas Theatre at the time Oswald was brought out: "Haire was captured at the rear of the crowd in at least one photograph taken when Oswald was brought from the theater by police".

And Haire spoke of witnessing only one arrest, not two: "For nearly twenty-five years Haire believed he had witnessed the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald".

So we have photographic evidence of Haire witnessing the arrest of the real Lee Harvey Oswald being removed via the front doors of the Texas Theatre, and therefore, his *recollection* of witnessing the arrest in the back of the theatre is simply a false recollection.

Otherwise, Haire should have recalled two arrests.

Marrs deals with the facts of the case throughout his books on the JFK assassination in much this manner, ignoring reasonable conclusions and jumping to conspiracy explanations. And many of his conspiracy arguments comes from ignoring reasonable conclusions and accepting at face value recollections from twenty-five years after the fact as wholly accurate.

Hank
 
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HSienzant said:
Yes, his books were simply fiction, so it is obvious he wasn't very high on the list of those who the conspirators had to eliminate because they knew too much. They could take their time getting around to him. Marrs knew next to nothing about the assassination and was more than content to spread rumors and innuendo than do any serious investigation.

Hank
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I think I only saw a program in which his "trajectory" pointed to the Dal-Tex building and therefore LHO was a "patsy". I wasn't impressed by his math, nor conclusions.
 
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