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What Happened to Snopes?

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This seems bizarre to me. Snopes is reported to have been hijacked.

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/17/...pelling-site-snopescom-held-hostage-by-vendor

https://www.savesnopes.com/

savesnopes.com said:
We had previously contracted with an outside vendor to provide certain services for Snopes.com. That contractual relationship ended earlier this year, but the vendor will not acknowledge the change in contractual status and continues to essentially hold the Snopes.com web site hostage. Although we maintain editorial control (for now), the vendor will not relinquish the site’s hosting to our control, so we cannot modify the site, develop it, or — most crucially — place advertising on it. The vendor continues to insert their own ads and has been withholding the advertising revenue from us.

I wouldn't have thought that something like this would be so hard to resolve.
 
I might have expected that the situation is somewhat more complicated than reported. In any case, I hope they don't fold up. I've always liked Snopes.
 
Hey, mods, you think maybe this belongs in "Social Issues and Current Events?" It's about a public issue, not computer technology.
 
Hey, mods, you think maybe this belongs in "Social Issues and Current Events?" It's about a public issue, not computer technology.
You're doing it wrong. Read the sections here on Housekeeping and Reporting.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25744

You are supposed to Report the OP and request a move in the report. You are not supposed to ask for it in a post. This is for two reasons. One is that moderators do not read every thread or every post and might take a long time to read it if ever. The other reason is that the request is off topic and could become a derail.

I already requested the move via a report before you made your post.
 
This seems bizarre to me. Snopes is reported to have been hijacked.

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/17/...pelling-site-snopescom-held-hostage-by-vendor

https://www.savesnopes.com/



I wouldn't have thought that something like this would be so hard to resolve.

My guess is that they signed a contract without consulting a lawyer and by signing the contract they screwed themselves over. If the bad guys who wrote the contract are smart enough with contract law there may be no way for Snopes to get around it except for paying the other party enough money to void the contract.
 
My guess is that they signed a contract without consulting a lawyer and by signing the contract they screwed themselves over. ....
The answer is right there in the NYT article cited above:
Proper Media considers itself an owner of Bardav, not a vendor. As Proper Media tells it, Barbara Mikkelson, Mr. Mikkelson’s ex-wife, sold her 50 percent share to Proper Media in 2016, but for tax purposes it was bought in the name of its individual members “for the benefit of Proper Media.” Two Proper Media officers, Drew Schoentrup and Christopher Richmond, would get 20 percent stakes in Bardav, while three others would own 3.33 percent stakes.

It's a power play.
 
When I saw this yesterday I suspected it was related to the Mikkelson divorce. I was right. Barbara sold her share to they "bad guys".


In reading through some of the articles, there seems to be the implication that one of the Proper Media guys with a 3.3% stake in the company now works for Bardav and is siding with David.

Except that Proper Media says he can't side with Bardav because the shares were sold for the benefit of Proper Media and only used his name for tax purposes, or that his 3.3% is not a majority vote of Proper Media and the majority stakeholders of Proper Media get to decide how the entire share is used anyway because this is not actual stock with shareholders meetings and votes, and...

Divorce is messy and complicated (even when both parties are good people), so is business. It's hard to follow.

I wish Snopes well.


ETA: Link with references to the 3.3% guy, Vincent Green:

Snopes Faces an Ugly Legal Battle: The internet’s favorite fact-checkers are caught in a messy dispute.

In the summer of that year, Bardav had entered into an agreement with a newish San Diego company called Proper Media to “provide content and website development services as well as advertising sales and trafficking” to Snopes. Proper Media’s principals were Chris Richmond, who co-owns a wiki called TV Tropes, and Drew Schoentrup, both now described in court filings as residents of Puerto Rico (more on that shortly).* Each of these men had a 40 percent share in the company. They were joined by three other people who had smaller equity stakes: Tyler Dunn, Ryan Miller, and Vincent Green.

....

But behind the scenes, there was trouble. Proper Media’s CEO and president had moved to Puerto Rico, according to a cross-complaint filed by Green, and corroborated by their own filings. They set up a separate company there, which Green claims was a tax-avoidance scheme that he told them he was uncomfortable with.

Meanwhile, in a story as old as media, the site’s editors worried that the co-owners didn’t understand what Snopes was, and that they only wanted to juice its revenues, so they could sell it.

On February 18—in a much disputed series of events—Green and Proper Media’s largest shareholders, Richmond and Schoentrup, had a contentious meeting. In the weeks that followed, Green either left or was forced out, and he went to work at Bardav, which is to say Snopes, where he remains.

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Also in dispute are Green’s shares, which when combined with Mikkelson’s, would give the two of them putative control of the company. Proper Media contends that, more or less, the shares belonged to Green and he was just holding them on behalf of the company.

There are many other claims and counterclaims flying around the filings related to the lawsuit. It’s not interesting to go through all of them in detail, but what can be said: This is a mess.
 
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