CNN Doxxes a gif maker

[d4m10n]

You do know that once the cops arrest someone, they don't take pains to keep them anonymous, yeah?

 

[Ziggurat]

You do know that once the cops arrest someone, they don't take pains to keep them anonymous, yeah?

And?

 

[d4m10n]

And therefore turning in anonymous death threats runs a foreseeable risk of deanonymization.

 

[d4m10n]

I actually don't care whether you call that "doxing" or not. The neologism isn't terribly stable yet.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Is this honestly the best argument you're capable of?

Telling the police the identity of a criminal is not doxxing. Stop pretending that it is. And again you chose an example where the morality of the law is undisputed, even by you. That I agree with the law in that case doesn't mean I do in all cases.

That sounds like doxxing. You are disclosing someone's private information.

 

[Ziggurat]

That sounds like doxxing. You are disclosing someone's private information.

If the context (scope, intent, etc) of the release of information isn't relevant to the definition, then the definition is so broad as to be completely useless.

 

[d4m10n]

What are the crucial elements of "doxing," you guys?

 

[tyr_13]

No, tyr. I need only consult your very own words.

Then stick to that and stop going on about 'the left is worse' or 'your side on these forums are worse', especially in a thread where 'your side' has demonstratably done worse than the 'side' you're being critical of.

CNN still hasn't doxxed HAS. HAS has, as have his allies on the right.

Your hypocrisy is ongoing, including in this post.

No, and irrelevant.

Wrong again. He wasn't the one actually SWATing people. The malfeasance has been even worse on the left.

This is exactly what I accused you of and you denied. We weren't talking about SWATing people (which CNN hasn't done) and isn't even something typically done or condoned by 'the left'. Of course you didn't actually SAY that the left was SWATing people, or that it was the malfeasance, but your writing leaves the reader with that impression...until someone draws that conclusion and you claim they are wrong or lying for seeing what is so clear in your words.

Your objection was about doxxing people and threatening to 'dox' (for a broad definition of the word that you then object to, again as if you never explicitly claiming it means it wasn't clear from your writing), it was not about personally SWATing people. HAS doxxed people, which you claim is wrong, then suddenly bring up something else.

That's the stupidest thing you've written yet in this thread. The nature of an act is of obvious and direct relevance to any evaluation of a threat to do that act. That's why we treat threats of murder differently than threats of calling someone names.

Oh, but they wouldn't be SWATing themselves... Do you even read your responses together?

You have yourself dishonestly conflated things. My criticism of the left hasn't been confined to CNN. There is no logical reason I need confine myself to only discussing things that CNN itself has done.

This is a non-sequitur to what I said.

And yet, you still feel the need to level personal accusations against me. Why do you imagine I would simply take it without dishing any back?

Even when objecting to being called on hypocricy, you still prove me right.

Oh dear, it looks like you're forgetting basic critical thinking. My saying your argument is wrong and displays intellectual dishonesty is fundamentally different from you saying that my argument is wrong because you think I'm a hypocrite.

 

[The Big Dog]

Then stick to that and stop going on about 'the left is worse' or 'your side on these forums are worse', especially in a thread where 'your side' has demonstratably done worse than the 'side' you're being critical of.

CNN still hasn't doxxed HAS. HAS has, as have his allies on the right.

And right after you said some nonsense about the other side doing worse, you manage to prove yourself totally wrong.

Oh well

 

[tyr_13]

And right after you said some nonsense about the other side doing worse, you manage to prove yourself totally wrong.

Oh well

Oh, did CNN finally dox someone?

 

[The Big Dog]

Oh, did CNN finally dox someone?

Yes.

 

[Ziggurat]

Then stick to that

I only hold you responsible for what you have done.

and stop going on about 'the left is worse'

Why should I, when 1) it's true, and 2) you do the same thing all the time?

especially in a thread where 'your side' has demonstratably done worse than the 'side' you're being critical of.

You keep trying to only compare CNN and HAS, but the truth of the matter is this is just a small part in a much larger cultural conflict. And in that conflict, the left has been demonstrably worse for the last few decades. And now the right is starting to follow the left's playbook, and the left suddenly wants what it's been doing all along to be off limits. It would be nice if this stuff was truly off limits. But that's not actually what the left wants. It wants to be able to selectively use such tactics itself, without ever having them used against it. But that was never going to be stable.

Oh dear, it looks like you're forgetting basic critical thinking. My saying your argument is wrong and displays intellectual dishonesty is fundamentally different from you saying that my argument is wrong because you think I'm a hypocrite.

Except, of course, that's not what I argued. You're wrong because what you say is wrong. You're a hypocrite because you try to hold me to different standards than you hold yourself. And you just lied about what my argument is, which is exactly the sort of dishonesty you falsely accuse me of.

 

[NoahFence]

Yes.

What's his name?

 

[tyr_13]

I only hold you responsible for what you have done.

Like SWATing? Seriously, what the hell was that about?

Why should I, when 1) it's true, and 2) you do the same thing all the time?

What is with this kettle logic? I didn't do it, and if I did it's because you do? Get it together.

You keep trying to only compare CNN and HAS, but the truth of the matter is this is just a small part in a much larger cultural conflict. And in that conflict, the left has been demonstrably worse for the last few decades. And now the right is starting to follow the left's playbook, and the left suddenly wants what it's been doing all along to be off limits. It would be nice if this stuff was truly off limits. But that's not actually what the left wants. It wants to be able to selectively use such tactics itself, without ever having them used against it. But that was never going to be stable.

It is quickly becoming clear that this is yet again just an excuse for you to shade 'liberals' in roundabout ways while dancing around anything that might be critical of those attacking liberals (like HAS and his doxxing supporters). You're literally attacking CNN and liberals for things they have not done while ignoring the same things being done by those attacking CNN and liberals.

Hey look, I was right even though you claim I was lying about it.

Except, of course, that's not what I argued. You're wrong because what you say is wrong. You're a hypocrite because you try to hold me to different standards than you hold yourself. And you just lied about what my argument is, which is exactly the sort of dishonesty you falsely accuse me of.

Your hypocrisy makes the accusation irrelevant.

You're not keeping track of your own posts.

This is tedious projection on an epic level. The really stupid part is you and some other conservatives praise when I level criticisms or agree with criticisms of specific excesses and bad practices from those on the left, at the same time you almost to a person* A) refuse to do the same for conservatives or Republicans (even Trump you have to be brought kicking and screaming to open criticisms) B) still maintain that I am personally an example of the extreme partisanship of the left. I was critical of CNN earlier in the thread, yet because I don't hold that their mistake was actually worse than it was, and worse than what people who actually doxxed people and made vile, racist, bigoted statements, I'm a 'dishonest, lying, hypocrite'.

I'd say 'heal thyself', but you're no physician.



*I am very grateful for the right leaning moderates and even the more rare conservative or Republican on these boards who hasn't gone tribal and maintains critical thinking practices enough to discuss these things with and be critical of the current state of those movements. It's just that Zigg is clearly not one of them.

 

[d4m10n]

Oh, did CNN finally dox someone?

Yes.

What's his name?

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[The Big Dog]

What's his name?

We've done this silly dance before. HAS has thus acceded to CNN's reprehensible threats. You know this.

You also know that doxxing does not require public release of data, particularly where it is being used such as CNN is doing here.

I have cited several articles and definitions showing this, but we get substance free posts nevertheless.

Oh well.

 

[d4m10n]

HAS called up KFILE; they came to an agreement. Labelling that process as "reprehensible threats" is beyond hyperbolic.

 

[BobTheCoward]

We've done this silly dance before. HAS has thus acceded to CNN's reprehensible threats. You know this.

You also know that doxxing does not require public release of data, particularly where it is being used such as CNN is doing here.

I have cited several articles and definitions showing this, but we get substance free posts nevertheless.

Oh well.

Those sources for your definition are wrong. People can take that position.

 

[The Big Dog]

Those sources for your definition are wrong. People can take that position.

Oh but if they were to take that position! That would be a dream.

Instead they pretend like they don't exist.

 

[NoahFence]

The whole point of doxxing is to release the victims name and personal info.

That did not happen. Ergo, you're wrong, TBD.

Hilariously, consistently wrong.