Happy 70th UFO Anniversary!

[skyeagle409]

Translation: Ya got nothin'

Well, that is what Tim Printy basically told me years agon until I posted information that forced him to make a correction on his own website.

Sounds to me like you're invoking Giorgio's Law... "Anything you can't explain must mean aliens did it"

Common sense says that if a saucer 100 feet in diameter hovers, and then zooms off at 40+ Gs, then that means the 100-foot saucer was not that of mankind. Yet, skeptics will claim the 100-foot saucer was Venus or a weather balloon.

 

[skyeagle409]

Keyhoe went on to conduct a full interview, uncut and uncensored, in which he detailed his claims. Strangely, no-one has tried to silence him, nor has there been mass panic and hysteria. How do you explain this?
Furthermore, if he was correct, as you claim, you would have thought that by now, we would have seen all the alien bases on Mars that he's talking about.
Where are they, skyeagle409?

Ask the government. BTW, I am very glad that you posted the following link.

http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/multimedia/video/2008/wallace/keyhoe_donald_t.html[


Now, let's take a look at what Keyhoe has said because he has confirmed what I have been saying here time after time.

KEYHOE: I'll answer that, but I'd like to make several points in doing it. In 1947, the Air Technical Intelligence Center at Dayton, that's the top Air Force intelligence men and scientists under contract, sent the secret documents to the Commanding General of the Air Force, saying that whatever of these things were, they were real. In 1948, ATIC, the same group, sent a top-secret estimate to the Commanding General, Roy Vandenburg, that these were interplanetary spaceships. In 1952, there was an intelligence analysis of the maneuvers of these things, as seen by radar, triangulation, radar photographs.

In case you missed the maneuvering report, here it is again.

USAF UFO REPORTS

"Captain Edward J.Ruppelt, former chief of Project Blue Book, has confirmed the existence of four important documents that should be noted. In 1948, in a "Top Secret" estimate, the (Air Technical Intelligence Center, Wright-Patterson AFB) concluded that UFOs were interplanetary spaceships. In 1952, an Air Force Intelligence analysis of UFO maneuvers brought the same conclusion... interplanetary."
MANEUVERED MOTION AND "INTELLIGENT CONTROL

Following the nearly year-long 1952 UFO sighting wave in which there were repeated instances of jet interceptors chasing after UFOs that also showed on radar, the Central Intelligence Agency convened the so-called Robertson Panel to evaluate the data. Among the presentations made to the scientific panel was one by Dewey J. Fournet (USAF, Ret.) who had worked with scientific analysts conducting a rigorous motion analysis study of hardcore unexplained cases.

Edward J. Ruppelt, former Chief of the Air Force Project Blue Book investigation, later reported that the study was "very hot and very controversial...[it] was hot because it wasn't official and the reason it wasn't official was because it was so hot. It concluded that UFOs were interplanetary spaceships."
Air Force analysts had reached this conclusion before. Project Sign in 1948 had issued a Top Secret Estimate of the Situation drawing the same conclusion. (Hall, 1964, p. 110) But both times outside scientific consultants, on the basis of what were arguably superficial and excessively skeptical reviews, disputed the conclusion. (Hall, 1988, pp. 155-163)

Many of these jet interception cases included a sort of "cat-and-mouse" behavior on the part of the UFOs, pulling away from the pursuing jets and then slowing down until they caught up again. This behavior has been repeated throughout the history of UFOs, and is one of the many indicators of intelligence behind the phenomenon. Case after case can be cited of UFOs apparently playing interactive games with (a) military aircraft
Ever wondered what the mission of the Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit (IPU) in conjunction with Moon Dust and Blue Fly was? Think about what "interplanetary" means. I might add that the U.S. Army has now confirmed the existence of the IPU.

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[skyeagle409]

Why has no other government broken the conspiracy of silence?

Other countries, in conjunction with the United States, have begun to release their own declassified UFO files, but my prediction is, official disclosure is still years away and that disclosure will be made at the United Nations, not the White House.

The US government, like other governments, are still worried about the consequences of official disclosure because once Pandora's box is opened, there can be no turning back the clock. I mean, like they cannot say that it was all a joke. Another way of putting it is that when disclosure is made, the world will never be the same again. I might add that there are hundreds of military and government workers, who are willing to testify to the reality of ET visitation before Congress, but they need the green light and I will be one of them.

 

[RoboTimbo]

I might add that there are hundreds of military and government workers, who are willing to testify to the reality of ET visitation before Congress, but they need the green light and I will be one of them.

Will it be any better than what you've posted here?

 

[lpetrich]

Common sense says that if a saucer 100 feet in diameter hovers, and then zooms off at 40+ Gs, then that means the 100-foot saucer was not that of mankind. Yet, skeptics will claim the 100-foot saucer was Venus or a weather balloon.

Seems to me that it's connecting the dots. Like if an object seems to disappear, it must have sped off at some superspeed.

 

[smartcooky]

skyeagle409

I see you sidestepped my question about the Travis AFB O Club. No worries, that just confirms my suspicion that you're a fraud.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

No problem.

DSP Satellite Tracks Iranian UFOs

The DSP-1 satellite detected an infrared anomaly during the time of this event that lasted for about an hour.

An impressive breakthrough in the confirmation of the Iranian UFO encounter was uncovered by researchers Lee Graham and Ron Regehr, of Aero-Jet in California.They confirmed that the UFO sighting over Tehran was, in fact, tracked by the United States military's DSP satellite. During their investigations, Graham and Regehr have located computer print-outs from the time frame of the Iranian UFO overflight, which show that the DSP definitely detected an "anomalous object" in Iranian air space.

Computer printout of the anomalous event with the classified term "238 SCANS - POSSIBLE SR."


http://www.mufon.com/iranian-airforc...pt---1976.html

http://www.ufodigest.com/shadowmag/extra/topsecret.html

Ron Regehr was the person who confirmed to me personally that his DSP satellites have tracked UFOs.

Firstly, I'd like to point out that Ron Regehr is by no means a disinterested and objective observer.

Ron Regehr has been a UFO researcher for more than 50 years. Regehr is a retired aerospace engineer with 36 years experience at Douglas Aircraft and Aerojet ElectroSystems working in space and Earth surveillance systems. He is MUFON’s Director of Documentation and a MUFON research specialist in space satellite technology. Two of his major areas of contribution in UFO research are satellite detection of UFOs and analysis of photos and other data associated with the Roswell case. Regehr first became interested in the UFO phenomena in the mid-1950s as a young volunteer for the Ground Observer Corps. Through the years he continued reading everything available on UFOs, and in the mid-1980s he became seriously involved in UFO research when his knowledge of classified data indicated to him the US government was not telling the pubic the truth about UFOs.

http://www.ufofestivalroswell.com/ufo-festival-guest-speakers/ron-regehr/

(By the way, I love this typo. Shows real attention to detail. )

US government was not telling the pubic the truth

So let's have a look at your evidence, then. What we have is two Aerojet employees who have what they say is a computer printout of the DSP satellite, which they say is a classified code, which they say means that the satellite tracked objects which they say were the UFOs supposedly seen over Iran, for (they say) over an hour.
You say that Ron says that it's all true.

Can you see how, to an outsider, and a skeptical one at that, this might look as weak as Budweiser and just as unsatisfying? This is not evidence, it is yet more hearsay and anecdote.

 

[smartcooky]

Firstly, I'd like to point out that Ron Regehr is by no means a disinterested and objective observer.

http://www.ufofestivalroswell.com/ufo-festival-guest-speakers/ron-regehr/

(By the way, I love this typo. Shows real attention to detail. )


So let's have a look at your evidence, then. What we have is two Aerojet employees who have what they say is a computer printout of the DSP satellite, which they say is a classified code, which they say means that the satellite tracked objects which they say were the UFOs supposedly seen over Iran, for (they say) over an hour.
You say that Ron says that it's all true.

Can you see how, to an outsider, and a skeptical one at that, this might look as weak as Budweiser and just as unsatisfying? This is not evidence, it is yet more hearsay and anecdote.

Exactly this.

All of SkyEagle's alleged "evidence' is apocryphal, all of it. Its consists entirely of hearsay and third hand accounts. There is not, and has never been, a single piece of scientifically tested and confirmed physical evidence of alien spaceships presented anywhere in the world. I don't buy the crappy cop-out argument that gubmints have sooper seekrit alien ships stored away in sooper seekrit locations. Clinton couldn't even keep quiet the fact the he was porking a White House Usher and the two of them were the only one's who knew about it... how in earth could they expect to keep something as big as alien spacecraft quiet. Even it if was true, it would NOT be dyed in the wool UFO nutcases telling us about it.

 

[arthwollipot]

Exactly this.

All of SkyEagle's alleged "evidence' is apocryphal, all of it. Its consists entirely of hearsay and third hand accounts. There is not, and has never been, a single piece of scientifically tested and confirmed physical evidence of alien spaceships presented anywhere in the world. I don't buy the crappy cop-out argument that gubmints have sooper seekrit alien ships stored away in sooper seekrit locations. Clinton couldn't even keep quiet the fact the he was porking a White House Usher and the two of them were the only one's who knew about it... how in earth could they expect to keep something as big as alien spacecraft quiet. Even it if was true, it would NOT be dyed in the wool UFO nutcases telling us about it.

Oh but they couldn't keep it quiet. There are all these pilots of 48 years going around who know EVERYTHING.

 

[Garrison]

Common sense says that if a saucer 100 feet in diameter hovers, and then zooms off at 40+ Gs, then that means the 100-foot saucer was not that of mankind. Yet, skeptics will claim the 100-foot saucer was Venus or a weather balloon.

No, skeptics will ask how was the size/height/acceleration of the object measured? Do you have any multiple independent witnesses? Photos/videos of the event?

if you can provide none of the above then all you have is a cool a story...

 

[skyeagle409]

Will it be any better than what you've posted here?

Some were involved UFO encounters that I have posted. You have no idea what has been going on behind closed doors and it was amazing to me when the Air Force supplied me with documentation that debunked its own 1994 Roswell Report. In other words, the Air Force documentation confirmed their 1994 Roswell report was another piece of the UFO cover-up.

 

[skyeagle409]

Firstly, I'd like to point out that Ron Regehr is by no means a disinterested and objective observer.

Ron not only confirmed that his DSP satellites have been tracking UFOs in space, but he went so far as to described the shape of one of those UFOs, which told me that another surveillance asset other than a DSP was used to identity the object.

US government was not telling the pubic the truth

I knew that even before the Air Force handed me documentation that debunked its own 1994 Roswell Report. When the Air Force issued a report that it captured a flying saucer, that is exactly what they had recovered and yet, a short time later, the Air Force said that a weather balloon was responsible for the Roswell incident. The Air Force's weather balloon story fooled the public for 47 years before the Air Force changed its story and claimed that a highly classified Project Mogul balloon #4 launched on June 4, 1947 was responsible. In case you missed an earlier post of mine, Project Mogul balloons were not classified because they were just typical research balloons that were occasionally recovered by civilians for rewards after answering questionnaires attached to Mogul balloons. That in itself should have told skeptics that the Air Force was lying. I found it peculiar that there are those who overlook that fact that Mogul balloon trains had ID tags and other labeling information in English that would have been a firm clue that Mogul balloons had nothing to do with aliens and yet, the Air Force managed to convince a number of people that is exactly what caused the Roswell incident. Simply amazing!!.

In its 1997 Roswell Report, the Air Force fooled the pubic again when it added that alien bodies people saw in 1947 (Roswell incident) were test dummies. What the Air Force didn't say is that that 6-foot test dummies could not have been misidentified as 4-foot alien beings and on another note, the test operations the Air Force referenced didn't begin until the 1950's and yet, the Air Force was still successful at convincing the public that is what people saw. The Air Force went even further when it said that the alien bodies people saw in 1947 were accident victims of 1956 and 1959. How many people did the Air Force fool with that explanation?

The government UFO cover-up has been massive, especially after 1953. The government feels the public cannot handle the truth and that is why there is a cover-up in place today. Finally, the Air Force said that the reason for the weather balloon story was to cover-up a classified project, but I want to add that you don't cover-up a classified crash site by reporting to the whole world that the crash site involved a flying saucer. The name of the game is to deflect attention away from the crash site of a classified project, not bring the eyes of the whole world to a classified crash site by reporting that you are recovering a flying saucer. That initial Roswell report was a major blunder by Air Force.

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[RoboTimbo]

Some were involved UFO encounters that I have posted. You have no idea what has been going on behind closed doors and it was amazing to me when the Air Force supplied me with documentation that debunked its own 1994 Roswell Report. In other words, the Air Force documentation confirmed their 1994 Roswell report was another piece of the UFO cover-up.

Based on your history here, I decline to believe you.

 

[skyeagle409]

Exactly this.

All of SkyEagle's alleged "evidence' is apocryphal, all of it. Its consists entirely of hearsay and third hand accounts.

As a reminder, my own accounts were firsthand.

 

[skyeagle409]

Based on your history here, I decline to believe you.

That is moot by the fact that no matter what you believe, it doesn't change reality. End of line.

BTW, I love challenges and all you have to do is to refute whatever I say and do so with undeniable evidence and documentation. Short of that, you have no case. Question is, are you up to the task to accept my challenge?

 

[skyeagle409]

Oh but they couldn't keep it quiet. There are all these pilots of 48 years going around who know EVERYTHING.

It's a bit more than that.

 

[RoboTimbo]

That is moot by the fact that no matter what you believe, it doesn't change reality. End of line.

BTW, I love challenges and all you have to do is to refute whatever I say and do so with undeniable evidence and documentation. Short of that, you have no case. Question is, are you up to the task to accept my challenge?

You still haven't learned your lesson about not attempting to switch the burden of proof? You just have no credibility. Sorry, that's reality. .

 

[John Jones]

That is moot by the fact that no matter what you believe, it doesn't change reality. End of line.

BTW, I love challenges and all you have to do is to refute whatever I say and do so with undeniable evidence and documentation. Short of that, you have no case. Question is, are you up to the task to accept my challenge?

Burden of proof. See my sig. You know the drill.

 

[skyeagle409]

You still haven't learned your lesson about not attempting to switch the burden of proof?

All you have to do is the refute with documented data and other evidence, my documented data and other evidence. Are you up to the challenge? Tim Printy tried to deal with me and when the smoke cleared, he was forced to make a correction on his own website.

 

[skyeagle409]

Burden of proof. See my sig. You know the drill.

I will make it very simple because all you have to do is the refute the following data evidence.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11926493&postcount=167

I say the evidence of an ET vehicle is clearly depicted in that data. Now, the challenge for you is to prove me wrong. At times, the radar was in STT mode and the lead pilot also said that he and his wingman were unable to keep up with the object, which continued to outmaneuver their aircraft and break their radar locks.

That does not sound like the object was a weather balloon, aircraft or even the planet Venus.